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Discussion in 'Debaters' started by Morgotha, Feb 28, 2017.

  1. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Yes it is, and some random youtube video doesn't change that.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/k6bmhb/japanese_people_calling_each_other_the_n_word/

    Here's a video of Japanese calling each other the N word. Does that mean the N word is NOT a racist term directed against blacks now? Of course not, and "Karen" is still a racist term directed against white women.
     
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    Ive seen hispanics being called Karen as well. Ive also noticed race has been given less and less. The behavior has been the focus more and more.


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    The two issues overlap because there is no scenario in which you recognize the the transgender person IS a woman. If you understood that it was a woman, then it wouldn’t matter which genes they were born with. You are getting hung up on a detail, while not irrelevant, is blurring more and more. It is not changing direction. The younger generation is more accepting of this and resistance will become less and less. You will probably never be comfortable with it but you cant stop it. Im not saying “get over it” by any means but you need to be realistic about the increased prevalence of this occurrence. Your objection to transgenders in sports is a much more valid argument than whether the woman in the stall next to you was born with a dingy. There is no competitive advantage to peeing as a man. In fact, we have to worry about getting our berries splashed if seated.


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    It can still be used racially. Its just not used that way exclusively anymore. Thank twitter, not us.


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    My guess is he heard natives speaking their word for the fruit and came up with an English version of what the sound was.

    As a (maybe) interesting tidbit regarding making up words, I remember hearing about "explorers" from two different countries both meeting the same group of natives in the upper Midwest. The British called them the Chippewa, and the French called them the Ojibwa based on how the speakers of the English and French languages "heard" how the Ojibwa pronounced the name of their people. I don't remember the whole analysis, but what stayed with me is that how our brains affect our senses. It's sort of amazing to understand that what we perceive as reality may really not be what the person next to us "sees".

    Several studies (at least) have shown that we reconstruct memories, but to think that we actually hear or see the same thing differently? Pretty amazing. Kind of like people not being able to see the color blue - until they could.
     
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    Hmmmm.... how can you tell who’s really a “woman” or a “man” if outwardly they look like a woman. How closely are you staring at and evaluating the other “women” in the restroom? What? You think every trans man is going to look like Jeffrey Tambor?

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    Even so would you make the determination that this isn’t a woman? What if you didn’t know Caitlyn Jenner’s background and this walked into the ladies room. Would you take a second glance?

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    What do you think is gonna happen when you’re all doing your business privately in your own stall out of view of everyone else?

    If you’re expecting trouble it’s more than likely going to come from a biological woman. Lol.



    The bottom line is that while one may not like the “idea” of “men” in the ladies room, short of acting like a perv the reality is that we won’t necessarily know who is and who isn’t totally biologically female so we may as well chill.
     
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    And not all homeless people are drug addicts, so don't bother the homeless. And not all drug addicts are violent so don't arrest the drug addicts. Now we have tent cities on our streets and needles and junkies in the parks to where both are unusable by the normal people of the city where you used to be able to walk down the street or take your children to the park.

    This is the same thing. "Why not just let... -it's not bothering you" - until it does. This is the opening salvo, and by the time you notice a problem the restrooms will be places you don't want to go in to, and they'll stay that way. I suppose you'll be happy, chilling, just like you're undoubtedly happy and chilling with the streets and parks.

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    Oh, and I didn't say I didn't like the *idea* of men in the women's room, I said I didn't want ACTUAL men in the women's room.
     
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    I know you seem to think there’s some correlation between your example and mine but I don’t see it. One has nothing to do with the other and I reject the conjecture that women’s restrooms will become a den of iniquity or some such nonsense if trans women go in to relieve themselves.

    On a practical level, I’m telling you that you may not always be able to tell who was born a woman and who is trans. If you confront them they will tell you they are female. Short of putting your hand down their pants how will you be sure, and that won’t help if they’ve had surgery. If they look like a woman, and act like a woman, and aren’t doing anything out of the ordinary you can’t confront someone with hysterical accusations that may actually turn out to be false. You could be looking at a lawsuit, arrest or both.

    You may have already been in a public ladies room at the same time a trans woman was there and not even have known it. I say it’s up to each individual to mind their own business and not overly obsess about it.

    By the way, I’m sorry if your parks look like those in the pic. The parks where I live do not although there are certainly homeless and drug addicted people living here.
     
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    I understand your pov. My point is the effects of social decay are hard to see before they're full blown. Covid might be a better example. When there were only one or two cases everyone was saying how it was racist to ban people from other countries, etc., and now? A half a million deaths later? It's really too late to fix things and those same people who said, "come on down to Chinatown"? Not one of them admits they were responsible for making things worse.

    As a bit of an aside, want to see something interesting? Here's a short demonstration video of the Army's new night vision goggles, which will hopefully keep our soldiers safe!

     
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    Ah...What you see as societal decay looks to others as societal advancement or even enlightenment. Being trans isn’t contagious like a virus. Like being gay you either are or you aren’t. Where you see lax morality I see possible genetic mutations. Where you see a failure to accept yourself,I believe you said, for what you are, I see differences within the human brain that we’re only starting to understand.

    Being able to accept bio-diversity(?) within your species, showing compassion and adapting the social environment to include everyone is a mark that we’re evolving as humans, rather than going to hell in a hand basket, IMO.

    https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/

    I enjoyed seeing the demo of the army’s new night vision goggles. As long as we send our young men and women into harms way, they need every advantage technology can give them. Fascinating stuff.
     
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    Fair enough. It's only traditional morality after all that says you even need privacy in a restroom in the first place. Next year maybe they'll put cameras in there so the people outside can be entertained watching you, or just putting toilets out in the open to cut down on building costs and discourage graffiti. It won't stop one from doing one's business.

    On the night vision, it makes me very happy. If our side can "see" like that on a moonless night and all our enemies see is a black night? That's a good thing!
     
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    Well said


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    Letting crazies roam the streets instead of locking them up tor their - and society's - own good. Another societal advancement, nay, *enlightenment*, that we can be proud of.

    "
    The incident unfolded Saturday in the 10500 block of South Emerald Avenue when Rule Hill Prince approached the male victim and attempted to sell him something, prosecutors said. He attacked the man after he refused the offer.

    Rule Hill Prince allegedly put the man in a chokehold and hit him in the head with a shovel before punching him in the face. He used his fingers to gouge the man’s eyes and then bit his ears and the top of his head before spitting into the man’s mouth, according to prosecutors.

    During the attack, Rule Hill Prince also jammed a 3-inch wooden block into the man’s left eye, prosecutors said.

    The man’s wife reportedly ran outside to help but was attacked by Rule Hill Prince, who pulled her hair and gouged her eyes. He then bit her ears, ripping off "large chunks," before spitting on her, according to prosecutors."

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-man-attacks-couple-bites-ears
     
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    This should be interesting. A formerly male, now female, weightlifter wants to compete in the Olympics and has petitioned the Olympic committee to let her. She previously competed as a man and came in 17th place in the 2012 Olympics having a "clean and jerk" of over 200 Kg as a middleweight male weightlifter.

    The current Olympic record in the clean and jerk for women of ANY weight class is 187 Kg, and for middleweights is less than 150 Kg, so... if she's allowed in, and probably will be, it's a pretty safe bet that we'll be seeing a new women's Olympic record being set in Rio. I suppose the only sad part is that for women who are actually born women - your chance of setting a record yourself is probably pretty slim. Eh, who knows, the gal is older now, perhaps she won't be as in shape or strong as what she was as a younger man.

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    Anyway, best of luck with your Olympic dreams, ma'am!

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    One wonders why the family of the deceased asked her not to attend the funeral. She seems stable enough to me?o_O

    "
    A Minnesota woman who was told not to come to her ex-boyfriend’s funeral was charged Monday after witnesses said she drove through the cemetery and tried to run over mourners during the ceremony.

    Blair Whitten, 28, was charged with reckless endangerment following the incident at Riverside Cemetery in Fargo, North Dakota, on Saturday, police said.

    "Multiple complainants reported Whitten was driving her vehicle, inside the cemetery, in a manner with extreme indifference for human life which created substantial risk of serious bodily injury to persons in the cemetery," Fargo police spokeswoman Jessica Schindeldecker told local station KVRR.

    No one was injured, according to local reports."

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesota-woman-funeral-ex-boyfriend
     
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    Notice how the vast majority of these sports/athletic stories are about trans people who were formerly men and now have transitioned into women?

    Notice how their respective stories are virtually the same:

    Male athlete completes in a sport. Male athlete is AVERAGE at best in whatever level they compete at (Varsity, JV, semi-pro, pro, etc.) Male athlete then transitions to being a woman. Trans-athlete now DOMINATES in whatever female sport they are competing in, breaks records, etc.

    Why aren't we seeing a bunch of biological females transition into dudes, and seeing them compete in male sports???...... ohhhhhh yeah! That's right. There's a reason for why that's not happening....

    Because it would be an absolute joke and a horrific tragedy to see Ellen Page square off against Conor McGregor in the Octagon (for example). Just as it would be a complete waste of time for those people to compete against men in any strength-based competition or the majority of sports for that matter.
     
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    Women fighters can be pretty strong - I know I wouldn't want to get in to a shoving match with Rhonda Roussey, for example, LOL! OTOH, I doubt if Roussey would want to get in to the ring and face off against Mike Tyson!
     
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    Uhmmmm.... I think that goes without saying. :rolleyes:

    Of course woman fighters are strong. They could probably beat up most men. lol. But those women obviously cannot compete against men who do the same thing for a living. If they could, then we'd be seeing the "Ronda Rousey's" of the world challenging top-tier male athletes for a shot at the title and winning. That's not happening.

    Have you ever heard of the German male tennis player who was ranked 203rd in the world in men's tennis back in 1998? He scrimmaged against Venus and Serena Williams, the most dominate players in women's tennis of all time.... He crushed them both. Imagine what the outcome would have been versus Andre Agassi, or a Pete Sampras.

    You ever hear of the 'Battle of the Sexes' tennis match in 1973 between Bobby Riggs and Billie Jean King? Bobby Riggs was a way past his prime 55 year old has-been vs. BJK who was the top women's player in the world at that time of this match.... Sure, she beat him somewhat convincingly in 3 straight sets, but he was 26 years older than her. Not exactly an "apples to apples" matchup. lol

    That doesn't mean that Venus Williams isn't good or that BJK was overrated. No! They were awesome! They'd slaughter me if I was out there against them. lol. But if I was a tennis pro, that wouldn't be the case.
     

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