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Discussion in 'Debaters' started by Morgotha, Dec 9, 2019.

  1. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    White boys going to school in black neighborhoods don't always have an easy time of it. That doesn't give them the right to start murdering people. This guy didn't have the right to do that either, and it's shameful that people are willing to try and find his actions somehow acceptable because of his race. He *murdered 10 people*! Who cares what his chip on his shoulder was? Execute him and move on.

    Oh, and that Florida guy that murdered all the massage parlor women? Same thing. I don't want to hear his sob story, I just want him gone.
     
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    I agree that he shouldn’t have turned to violence. But...
    Bullying in school is why some of these mass murderers do what they do. - Columbine who were white boys, who were harassed by other white boys.


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  3. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    He was 21 though, so 3 years out of high school. It's a little late to be saying, "but they were mean to me" even if that were an excuse, which it isn't.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Once again the "Palestinians" are shooting at Israel, and once again Israel is responding in kind.

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    More than 1,000 rockets have now been fired by Palestinian militants, Israel says.

    Israel has carried out hundreds of air strikes, destroying two tower blocks in Gaza on Tuesday and Wednesday.

    At least 53 Palestinians and six Israelis have been killed since Monday.

    That includes 14 Palestinian children caught up in the conflict.

    UN Secretary-General António Guterres said he was "gravely concerned" by the ongoing violence.

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57083595
     
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    Sounds like it’s on. Issac and Ishmael at it again.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    You know, part of me wants to know what got the palestinians wound up to attack, and part of me just doesn't care. In any event those Israelis didn't deserve to die.
     
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    It's not 'the Palestinians', it's Hamas. The people dying are the Palestinians, including women and children who never did anything. It is the Israeli government firing back though, which is why the death toll is so skewed.

    And the reason for the flair up is because Israel was forcibly removing Palestinians from their homes, demolishing those homes, and giving the land to Israeli 'settlers'. I wonder how many Americans would put up with something like that without a peep? Not many.

    That Trump peace agreement sure was shit though, wasn't it? It didn't even last 6 months. Although I would bet Trump is still in contact with the Israeli government who were his buddies, so this is all carefully planned to give Republicans a talking point about how Biden can't control things. Funny how it happened at the same time as the Russians hacked a fuel pipeline, isn't it? Almost like it was planned.
     
  8. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Hamas was voted in to power in the Gaza strip, they ARE the Palestinians just like the Israeli government is the Israelis.

    So in your eyes the threatened eviction of a 20 Palesitnians by the Israeli government means the Palestinians have the right to randomly shoot 100's to 1000's of rockets randomly in to Israel to kill as many Israelis as possible? Yeah... attempted mass murder of civilians as a response to evicting some people is not generally considered an appropriate response.

    LOL, if you'll recall Trump's treaty involved pretty much every country EXCEPT "Palestine" for just this reason. The agreement is still going strong and Israel has less enemies now than it did previously. Good job, Trump!

    The Russians don't base their foreign policy on what's good for Trump. They sense weakness in a U.S. with a weak president and they are seeing how far they can push. That IS their foreign policy, and that of a lot of other "unfriendly" nations.
     
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    https://www.wionews.com/world/donal...ry-israels-peace-deal-with-4-countries-349153

    Trumps “peace treaty” was basically attaching his name to negotiations that were already almost done. His contribution was to “recognize” Moroccos sovereignty over Western Sahara. Just like “Recognizing” Jerusalem as the Israeli Capitol, he was giving away something that wasn’t his to give. Most of the world does not recognize either of these changes in stance by the US except the usual suspects. Aka Putin n pals. I don’t support firing on civilians on either side but “C’mon”, Israel knew what was going to happen if the started evicting Palestinians. This seems like a provocation to justify an action they already wanted to take.


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  10. Morgotha

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    Negotiations that were almost done? You mean like how the US was supposed to move our embassy to Jerusalem 30 years ago but failed to actually do so? Trump did that where his predecessors did not. When negotiations are done, they are real, before that they don't exist. LOL, you don't have to believe me, check out what the Israeli press had to say about these agreements - it wasn't "thanks, Obama".

    You think it's reasonable for the Israeli government to think that if they have to evict someone from their house that 1000 missiles will be fired at random citizens in their country? I can't express how strongly I disagree. A real estate argument shouldn't turn in to mass murder. The Palestinian response was completely uncalled for and inappropriate.

    I wonder, though, how firmly you believe what you're saying. Say a dozen black families in Chicago are going to be evicted from their houses and white families are going to be taking over their properties. Do the people in the black neighborhoods have the right to lob 1000 missiles at the majority white-owned portions of Chicago to show how unjust it was? If it were white people being evicted would *they* have a right to try and blow up the black portions of Chicago and kill all the people they could? I really find it hard to believe you have such a disregard for the value of human life.
     
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    The negotiations that as you pointed out excluded Palestine, were almost done without trump. He just gave Morocco a mostly unrecognized bone. As far as Palestinian eviction. This is not a neighbors dispute over whose property a fence lies on. This is a decades long war over international borders. Israel decided disregard tentative borders that were being negotiated and take disputed property. An act of war during the middle of a war. Israel is not surprised Palestine responded and you shouldn’t pretend to be either. This was not an unprovoked attacked. It was retaliation. Im not saying innocent deaths are ok. Im saying Israel knew that it would lead to innocents deaths and did it anyway.


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    There was never any agreement 30 years ago that we would move our embassy to Jerusalem. The reason there was no agreement was that Jerusalem, of all cities, needs to remain somewhat autonomous just due to the fact that the 3 great religions are all based on this city. So for one of those to somehow exclude the other 2 can ONLY end in war. Trump was the only idiot that didn't give a shit.

    And Israel wasn't just evicting, you make it seem like they are the owner/landlord and just throwing out squatters. These were people's HOMES. They are forcing them out, and stealing their houses so they can be given to others. And once again you fail to look at the fact that it's primarily Palestinians being killed, not Israelis.
     
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    Again, "almost done" negotiations mean nothing. Completed negotiations are something else. No one but Trump gets credit for negotiations he completed, just like if Biden completes a negotiation Trump started, Biden will get the credit.

    On the evictions, my understanding from hearing the news is that this is about some residences right next to a populated part of the city, not 1000's of acres somewhere. LOL, it's funny you say these borders are "being negotiated" - thus proving my point that unless someone has the gumption to *finish* the negotiations, they mean nothing.

    Israel's not surprised because the Palestinians ALWAYS attack over *everything*. Their actions are completely inappropriate though, and really fall in to the category of "war crime" more so than they do any legitimate response, even if the provocation against them was deliberate - which I doubt it was.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    My bad. Congress passed the "Jerusalem Embassy Act" 26 years ago, not 30. So you're right, the agreement didn't formally exist 30 years ago, it existed 26 years ago, and to be precise, it wasn't just an agreement, the embassy was supposed to be moved according to US Law. I'm glad that's settled. Oh, and the US Congress is actual idiot that "didn't give a sh!t" as they were the ones that that passed the law, which was signed by Clinton that the embassy had to be moved in the first place. Trump just did what Clinton and subsequent presidents were supposed to do, but didn't.

    "The move came 23 years after the passage of the Jerusalem Embassy Act of October 23, 1995, which set a deadline of May 31, 1999, for the move.[7] The Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations had all deferred the move."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embassy_of_the_United_States,_Jerusalem

    LOL, what do you mean Israel "wasn't just evicting" people, it was forcing them out of their homes? What do you think "evicting" means?o_Oo_O

    You know WHY it's primarily Palestinians being killed? It doesn't make much sense, does it? I mean the Palestinians STARTED the attacks by launching what I now believe is felt to be 1500 rockets in to Israel. You'd think there'd be a LOT of Israeli deaths as a result. Why weren't there? Well for one reason, the Israeli government has been attacked by its Arab neighbors so many times that it's the Law there that every single house, apartment, office building, etc. has some sort of protected space, a bomb shelter, etc., built in to it, so when the sirens go off, the people have to hide, and other than the terror of the whole thing, are reasonably safe. The Palestinians, OTOH? No building codes there, and a collapsed building takes out a lot of people. Decent society 1, violent rabble 0.
     
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    https://apple.news/AYMrzzZ-mRn6kB60CpQEj-g
    Wisconsin proud boys are the racist, misogynistic, white supremacists we thought they were. Straight from former members mouths.



    The second chatroom was swamped with every type of shocking content imaginable, the men said, with participants posting photos and videos of people getting killed and seriously injured. Users swapped the most explicit pornography they could find, often featuring people defecating. The images flowed in a septic tide of racist, antisemitic and homophobic banter.
    One
    One of the men who spoke with USA TODAY described the content: "Videos of Muslims being set on fire or blown up? Check. Memes intended to laugh at Holocaust-era Jews? Check. Pictures of women being raped? Check. Memes poking fun at raped women? Check. I could go on, but you get the point.”
    The images and memes, examples of which were shared with USA TODAY, didn't drive away Berry or the other two men. They said they've heard plenty of racist and homophobic comments before in their mostly white communities.

    Their motto is “fit in or f:;&- off”.



    Its not that some of the members were like this. This is what you had to be or become to stay involved.


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  16. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    They don't exactly sound like *nice* boys, do they?
     
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    Not much to be proud of either.


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    Haiti's president was assassinated yesterday. The police have caught some of the people involved and they've been executed already - fast Justice! There is still a running gun battle to capture the others involved in the plot.

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    Haiti’s National Police managed to kill four suspects and arrest two others they said were involved in the well-coordinated assassination of President Jovenel Moïse.

    Law enforcement officials in the country say a gunfight between police and additional suspects is ongoing as of early Thursday.

    Léon Charles, the country’s top cop, told reporters that police are still hunting for suspects, the New York Times reported.

    "Four mercenaries were killed [and] two were intercepted under our control," Charles said, according to the BBC. "Three policemen who had been taken hostage have been recovered. We blocked [the suspects] en route as they left the scene of the crime. Since then, we have been battling with them.""

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/expla...-assassination-threatens-more-chaos-for-haiti
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Well, this is just great. Two of the mercenaries that assassinated Haiti's president? They were Americans.:eek::(:mad: How low are people willing to go?

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    At least two Haitian Americans are among six men who have been arrested in the assassination of Haiti's president early Wednesday, officials said.

    Haiti's minister of elections Mathias Pierre identified James Solages, as one of the two Haitian Americans. He did not provide additional details about Solages' background, nor provide the name of the second Haitian American."

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/haitian-americans-arrested-president-jovenel-moise-assassination
     
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    Antifa violently attacks an open-air religious gathering.

    "The first instance of violence happened Saturday at an open-air event planned at Tom McCall Waterfront Park near the Battleship Oregon Memorial to be hosted by Artur Pawlowski, a traveling preacher who’s been arrested in Canada for holding in-person worship services in violation of coronavirus restrictions. Several Antifa Twitter accounts tweeted about the planned event, the Post Millennial reported, and videos posted online showed that a crowd of demonstrators dressed in black bloc attire showed up at the waterfront to confront worshippers.

    Dozens of people carrying black umbrellas and shields are seen spraying red and yellow gas at the group of worshippers, as other Antifa members steal sound equipment, lawn chairs and wagons left across the lawn by families who had come to listen to the pastor speak. "

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-antifa-christian-worship-event-clash-proud-boys
     

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