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Discussion in 'Debaters' started by surviving, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. purriwinkle

    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    A lockdown is to prevent mass groups of people from interacting with each other, swapping viral particles. Add to that masks and social distancing and we don’t know how many people were kept from contracting Alpha pre vaccine. For those who did, some were lucky. Some weren’t. There were no readily accessible alternatives in 2020. How do we quantify that?

    People following then President’s Trump’s and conservative Republican governor’s lead refused to cooperate. One good thing he did was to spur on the development of the vaccines but the damage was already done. His followers were still ignoring or actively fighting against the very thing that would have kept so many more from contracting the disease with resultant hospitalizations and deaths.

    Unvaccinated Americans are responsible for the majority of deaths and hospitalizations now and it is this, not lockdowns , that bears the blame if the curve isn’t flattened.

    Don’t worry, Omicron is running it’s course but what happens with the next variant of concern that takes off? We can only hope that all the unvaccinated have acquired a bit of natural immunity, have changed their minds about vaccines or have died off.
     
  2. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Something possibly very serious. A retrospective look at 150,000 people in the VA who had covid a year ago are now having a 60% or more increase in heart attacks and 50% more strokes compared to control groups that did not have covid.

    If this holds up generally the US is going to be looking at a serious spike in heart-related illness over the next decade. Hopefully the authors missed something in their analysis and this won't turn out to be generally true world-wide.

    https://www.foxnews.com/health/covi...ous-heart-ailments-year-after-recovery-report
     
  3. DeadZedHead

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    When anitvaxxers were trying to say the vaccine caused heart issues, they released a report that showed the virus created the issue waaay more often. Joe Rogan tried to make this point on his podcast and his guest shut him down. He had to admit he was wrong.


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  4. Sharpie61

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    Covid cases are finally going way down. Who knows what future variants might bring, but at least there's a lull now to give the medical people a bit of a break.
     
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  7. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Covid is worming its way back to China, and the Chinese government is trying to maintain their "no covid at all" position. Currently, they have locked down 25 Million people in the city of Shanghai. That's more people in one city than are in the entire *State* of New York.

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    Chinese authorities have extended their lockdown of Shanghai to cover all its 25 million people after a fresh surge in Covid cases.

    Initially, there had been separate measures for the eastern and western sides, but the whole city is now subject to indefinite restrictions.

    Shanghai is the largest single city to be locked down to date.

    The important financial hub has battled a new wave of coronavirus infections for more than a month.

    Reported cases have risen to more than 13,000 a day, although the numbers are not high by some international standards.

    Residents in some areas of the city said the strict policy meant no-one was allowed to leave their housing compounds, not even to collect essential provisions.


    They reported difficulties in ordering food and water online, with restrictions on when customers are able to place their orders, because of a shortage of supplies and delivery staff.
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60994022
     
  8. purriwinkle

    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    Lots of people in China. To get an even clearer picture, there are more people in lockdown in China than the populations of 48 of the states in the US. Only California and Texas have more people in their entire states. According to the latest census:


    • California (Population: 39,613,493)
    • Texas (Population: 29,730,311)
    • Florida (Population: 21,944,577)
    • New York (Population: 19,299,981)
    • Pennsylvania (Population: 12,804,123)
    • Illinois (Population: 12,569,321)
    • Ohio (Population: 11,714,618)

    Yep. Lots of Chinese citizens not going anywhere.

    What I’m curious about is what strain is this that’s currently circulating in China? BA.2 ? Or some new strain we haven’t heard about yet.
     
  9. Stealth

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    Yes, it's the BA.2. Their severe measures worked last time. We'll see how it goes now. Their vaccines also aren't as good as the ones we received from Pfizer and Moderna. So that's a big problem there. An out of control outbreak there is bad news for all of us though, not only with BA.2 but also other variants.
     
  10. Morgotha

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    I've heard it's BA.2, but haven't seen that in print anywhere.

    My thing about the Chinese population is that I can't wrap my head around the *scale* of things there. 25 million people in ONE city? Sure, it's the largest city in China, but they've probably got a dozen cities with 10 million people or more. That's a lot of people living tightly together. It's no wonder their authorities are concerned about an infectious outbreak... which would make one think they'd try a little harder to control their labs.
     
  11. Stealth

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    Because they have an authoritarian regime they were able to contain it last night. It'll be interesting to see if they succeed again as this variant is more transmissible.
     
  12. Morgotha

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    The trouble with the Communist regimes though is that you never know what the truth is. With Shanghai, do they actually have more covid cases there than anywhere else in China? Are they *really* locking down 25 million people because of a few cases of covid, or are they locking down Shanghai to curb their economic growth or something unrelated to covid entirely and are using covid as an excuse? Who knows?

    Assuming that China IS trying to control covid with these lockdowns, I also wonder what China's endpoint for locking down their country is going to be. At first I thought they were waiting until the virus was attenuated to the level of a common cold, and then they'd let *that* sweep their country, but now? BA.2 is probably as lethal as original covid, so the virus isn't attenuating that fast. Will they keep locking down regions forever?
     
  13. Stealth

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    Yes it's difficult to know for sure what is going on in an authoritarian regime. I have a friend who has some relatives in China and she that the lockdowns are very severe and they did manage to control it after the initial outbreak.

    If it does get out of control though it's going to make last year's Delta surge in India look mild in comparison.
     
  14. Morgotha

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    This looks like a scene from a horror movie. Something truly wild. Advance to about 1/2 way in to this video and you'll hear people screaming from inside their apartments in Shanghai. Apparently, a lack of food is a real problem there with effectively the entire city of 25 million being confined to their homes - enforced by the military.

     
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  15. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    So in Shanghai a "dead" person in a body bag started moving and was taken out of said bag and to a hospital. The Chinese authorities are trying to pass it off as incompetent workers who falsely declared someone as dead, but... perhaps Shanghai is in the initial stages of a zombie outbreak?

    "
    A resident of a nursing home in Shanghai was mistakenly taken to a morgue in a body bag — while he was still alive.

    In a video that has gone viral, several workers in personal protective equipment are seen reopening a sealed yellow body bag after noticing that the man inside was moving. The workers then recoil after lifting a piece of cloth off the man's head.

    "He's alive. He's alive. Did you see? Don't cover him anymore," one of the workers says in the clip, which emerged on Chinese social media on Sunday.

    The person filming the video can also be heard commenting: "How can such a thing happen? They put him in the hearse and took him back out ... It is irresponsible, really irresponsible."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/othe...bag-—-while-still-alive/ar-AAWTRNU?li=BBnb7Kz
     
  16. rabscuttle1

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    As in reanimated dead...just not possible. But something like 28 Days Later or Quarantine... absolutely.
     
  17. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Not possible? Coming from someone with a photo of Roger as his avatar??? ??? ???? ? . ?
     
  18. rabscuttle1

    rabscuttle1 Well-Known Member

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    Wife and I got Covid from a vaccinated person. We were both as sick as you could be without needing to go to the hospital. It never messed with our breathing so never were too worried. Vaccinated people get it...and spread it...they just don't get sick from it most the time. Wife is a dietitian...and her job ended up requiring their employees to get the vaccine. She chose to get it so I got it with her so she would have to take it alone. We got Covid again. This time didn't hardly have any symptoms at all. The vaccine doesn't stop you from spreading or catching it...but it will keep you from getting really sick in most cases...which in turn keeps the hospitals from becoming overtaxed and causing shortages that lead to deaths that otherwise wouldn't happen. The whole vaccines keep it from spreading thing was a lie. The government could've simply been honest instead of using the crisis as an experiment to see how much control they could enforce upon the people by spreading fear and lies. My mind can't be changed on that.
     
  19. rabscuttle1

    rabscuttle1 Well-Known Member

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    I love zombie fiction but that's all it is...fiction. the dead can't return from the grave. But there's definitely a possibility of rage like viruses that ccould be similar and just as catastrophic.
     
  20. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Oh, if you want to be honest, I agree. Decay, not reanimation, follows death, and it's a one-way street... at least it is today. OTOH, if tomorrow the dead DO get up and walk around, we'll find a new scientific theory to explain it, and it will be so obviously true no one will question it.
     

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