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Discussion in 'Volume 8: Made To Suffer' started by Tony Davis, May 25, 2014.

  1. Tony Davis

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    ah, yes. this is where we see how Carol and Judith will die in season 5.
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    This volume is crazy. I never expected the massacre.
     
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    The biggest bloodbath that the series has had to date. They try to go bigger, but as far as collateral damage, the Governor did the lions share of murder here (Counting main characters). So much tragedy in such a short amount of time, ensures his place among the great villains of the comic world. Kirkman took so many risks with this one battle, that I wonder if he ever thought "I wonder if this will get me canceled?"

    Visceral and brutal, The Governor may be gone, but his legacy lives on; both in comic fandom, and in Rick's reactions and actions ever since this occurred. Negan would have had ASZ for lunch had Rick not suffered through this incident, and likely could have died long before now without this to reflect upon. In fact I would go as far as to say that without this key event, Rick's story would have probably ended right after
    . Just an opinion, but definitely not one without merit.
     
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    I totally agree. The prison assault was pivotal to Rick's development and survival. Even the great loss he suffered was instrumental in his evolution. This one day caused a monumental shift in Rick's psyche. At this point; Rick was still somewhat defined by his oath to "protect and serve" as well as his early-series credence of "We don't kill the living." He had yet to fully identify and realize the threat posed by the living people who still remained in their hell on earth. At this time; we see a Rick who is in the thick of receiving a brutal education in what people are capable of. His first lesson was learned at the hands of The Governor and Bruce Allan Cooper; his second lesson was learned behind the wheel of Dale's RV and in the eyes of a fading Cesar Martinez. His third and final lesson in human capability was learned through the loss his wife and baby and the destruction of his sanctuary.

    That final assault instilled in Rick a strength and more importantly knowledge. It was the proverbial "straw that broke the camels back"; after that day Rick would never be the man he was. He would never again be the warm, beloved, fair and just small town sheriff. But instead a cold, hardened, distant, indifferent and relentless survivor; and most importantly a fierce and protective, primal and somewhat animalistic father. I agree with the sentiment; that in hindsight this event actually saved Rick and Carl's lives. Because what Rick witnessed that day was a glimpse into the future; he saw his destiny; the tragedies he would be forced to suffer over and over again unless he could look inside himself and find something stronger. Something primal and monstrous; and harness it, and wield it like a weapon.--If it weren't for this sort of reality check or epiphany; as well as the visceral, mind-altering tragedy he was witnessing and living through; Rick would have died on the road after the prison fell. He had lost his wife and daughter, he failed them, he couldn't keep them safe, these thought were almost unbearable. But, Rick had saved his son; and the sight of his son, alive and well galvanized him. Reinvigorated him with new drive and purpose. That purpose being that he would never let this happen again. He would not bury his son; he would protect him at all costs; furthermore he vowed to find a place and make a life for Carl. A safe life where he could thrive and be happy like a boy should. It has been this promise, this pact Rick made with himself, that has driven him since the day they left the prison. It has been the only thing keeping him alive and pressing forward; giving him strength to accomplish great feats. Nobody ever mattered but Carl, Rick was fighting for the good of the many, he wasn't struggling for his people, he wasn't protecting them or trying to keep them safe. He wasn't worried about their futures or rebuilding civilization. His sole concern, and purpose, was Carl. He wanted to create a safe place, and rebuild so that Carl could have a future, a legacy left for him by his loving father. It just so happened that all these other folks tagged along; which Rick was thankful for because he knew he couldn't carve out a future for his son alone. But it was always all for Carl.

    That being said--if not for The Governor and his genocide; Rick would have died on the road. He wouldn't have been overwhelmed with pain and grief and then subsequently galvanized and drive by his charge to protect his son and create for him a legacy and future. He would have died a weak and broken man; at the hands of the bandits on the road. He would have been too overwhelmed with guilt and shame at the failure of his son. Sick with grief and shame, and disgusted with his weakness and failure and broken promises; it would have been far too much for one man to bear. He would have submitted his life to the bandits; too beaten, exhausted and ashamed to do anything as they had their way with Carl.
     

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