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2020 election AKA The Biden Thread

Discussion in 'Debaters' started by Morgotha, Feb 3, 2019.

  1. Stealth

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    It starts with some of the issues with the police department in South Bend.
     
  2. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    It's not Sanders causing a problem! He's a candidate trying to win the election as is his *right* as a citizen. It's also not the problem of his supporters who want him to win, it's their *right* to support whoever they choose.

    It's the Party's problem if they don't like Sanders and want someone else to win. If that's the case it's on them to convince people someone else would do a better job.
     
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    I call bullshit.
     
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    ABC News and Washington Post were the pollsters, so "not rinky-dink." But I agree everything has been volatile lately.

     
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    Seemed like Warren was the clear winner in last night's debate, she wiped the floor with all of them. I just wish she'd have given Bernie a little of what she was giving Bloomberg. I loved Bloomberg's jab at Bernie though, that America's most famous socialist is a millionaire with 3 houses. :p

    Biden just seems pointless right now. No big gaffs from him, but he just seems outclassed.

    Mayor Pete and Amy seemed to just focus on each other.
     
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  7. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Some impressions/fun things from last nights debate:

    Bernie: The best thing from Bernie was when he was asked how he could win when he's a socialist and the majority of people polled said they didn't want a socialist president. His response was, "have you looked at the polls? Who's winning and by a comfortable margin right now? I am, and that's your answer". Good answer.

    They were going after him for his health records. Overall, I want a healthy president, but don't like the insistence they turn over everything. After all, if we set a precedent of people having to turn over their health records to get a job, eventually that will be required for our jobs as well. LOL, also, he told the reporter to come with him on one of his campaign days and see if he could keep up with him to show how fit he was. Another good answer.

    Bernie seems to really feel uncomfortable lying, and believes what he's saying. Those are pluses for him.


    Bloomberg: His best line was when they were going after him about not paying enough taxes, he said, "who passed the tax code? You one hundred senators did. Why are you complaining to me about it? You don't like it, change it". Great answer.

    He got real and justifiable heat about his non-disclosure agreements with women who worked for him, but he isn't going to release them. He said he is going to release his taxes within the next few weeks, but they aren't done yet. I'll believe him at this point until more time goes by. As he said, he can't just use turbotax, LOL.

    When people were going on about their plan for business growth, he looked at the others and said, "I believe I'm the only one up here who's actually started a business, right?" So I think he's got authority to speak in this regard. LOL, he also had a comment to say on socialism saying it was tried already and failed.

    He overall seems like an engineer and not a people person, and would focus on accomplishing tasks and not be someone who gathers everyone together. Like with stop and frisk. He noted that murders in new york went from 650 to 300 or so with the policy, and you know he wanted to say, "see, it was the right thing to do because it worked", but he didn't and said he was sorry about it. He can't say things in a way people are going to like.

    He also didn't get rattled by people attacking him, which they did, a lot. He's tough enough, and IMO that make him a serious contender.


    Warren: The highlight of the debate for me was when she stuck up for Klobuchar's forgetting the President of Mexico's name when in Mexico. That showed class.

    I thought it was ironic that she was going off on how business was corrupting the process of government by influencing it with their money. Hello? YOU are a senator as are the people you associate with every day. The people being corrupted ARE the senators and people in the House. If you actually care about corruption why aren't you doing something NOW to try and fix it? Why not name names like you want Bloomberg to do with the people involved with confidentiality agreements? You have the power to do something NOW, but you aren't.

    Nah, she came across as preachy and "do what I say, not as I do", IMO. I wouldn't vote for her based on her debate performance.


    Biden: He was there, said some things about Obama. He seems like he's doing what he feels he's supposed to do, IMO.


    Mayor Pete: He really went off on Klobuchar for some reason. I found it unseemly.

    He seems thoughtful and calm otherwise, but I don't see him inspiring passion in people.


    Klobuchar: She got defensive after several attacks from Pete. She obviously doesn't want people impugning her. I like her, but seeing that side of her made me cautious about her. The president gets criticized every single day no matter what they do, I don't know if she'll be able to take the heat of the office.

    Oh, and it's irrelevant, but her hair and makeup person is the BEST!
     
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    This is the first time I watched a full debate during this election cycle, and it will be the last. It was a very poor representation for the Democratic Party. I liked Buttigieg early on when he was going after Sanders. He was excellent then, but his attacks on Klobuchar were petty and bordering on obsessive. Warren obviously has a deal with Sanders. Her attack on Biden and Klobuchar about them wanting to please McConnell was idiotic. Sanders was the same Angry Clown he always has been, repeating his talking points. It's clear to anyone who can see, why Bernie is the Trump cult's favorite opponent for November. Standing next to Trump he would actually come across as more unhinged, red faced (or was it purple last night??) shouting at clouds and wagging his finger. What a fool. Biden was acceptable but not spectacular. And then there's Bloomberg who spent millions just to be a pinata before a national TV audience

    Canceled: Sanders, Warren, Bloomberg
    Meh: Buttigieg

    And that leaves this race where it's been for a long time, with just Biden and Klobuchar for me. What a horrible primary.
     
  9. Jama

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    My hot take on last night's debate was that since there were only 6 candidates instead of 72, we finally got more substance out of it in terms of where people stand on the issues.

    The sad take away though, is that all of these people have serious hurdles to overcome, bad policy ideas and/or personal/professional flaws.

    Biden is a twice-failed Presidential candidate and a notoriously bad campaigner who's only relevant and up on that stage right now because Obama happened to pick him as Veep. He is struggling and does not seem to be inspired or inspiring to voters.

    Warren came out swinging last night. She absolutely murdered Bloomberg. lol. But it might be too late for her. She's a fake and she's a phony and someone is going to eventually murder her in a future debate. And America doesn't know this yet, but her wardrobe is filled with nothing but black plants, black tops and alternating blue, green, pink, and yellow summertime granny sweaters. At some point she's going to have to show us that she can diversify by wearing a pantsuit or maybe something that doesn't make her look like a Golden Girl. lol

    Buttigieg: A fake moderate and becoming more and more insufferable as he lectures and man-splains his way to maybe a VP pick. Ugh! He was so petty and small last night. He came off like a punk.

    Bernie is showing us more that he's crazy and angry and his ideas should only remain as ideas. He refuses to answer tough questions even though he's hardly ever asked tough questions. He can't answer them because he has no idea on how to address things like how to pay for all of these social entitlements.

    Also, how is Bernie different than Bloomberg. Bloomberg wants to buy an election with his own money and Bernie wants to buy it with a bunch of fake promises for programs that would be funded by the taxpayer.

    Klobuchar: I like her.... for a Democrat. But she doesn't have an incredible amount of charisma, I kind of feel like she needs more of that. She's bringing up great points about her record and her experience, and I like that she stood up for herself against the stupid/false accusations made by Warren and Petey. I just don't think she's going to be able to see this through to a nomination.

    Bloomberg: Mini-Mike got in way over his head. He's an arrogant person who grossly miscalculated. Weirdly enough, Trump called this in advance in one of his Tweets. Usually Trump's Tweets are ridiculous and stupid, but he gets it right on occasion. I am glad that Bloomberg addressed the serious threat and danger of a Bernie Presidency, but he did so in kind of a smug, smart-ass kind of way. The comment about Bernie's 3 houses was great though. Bernie's comeback/excuse, was pretty obtuse. No one gives a crap that thousands of other Vermontians ALSO have vacation homes. They aren't advocating for socialism. As for Mike, maybe he will spend another 400 million to recover from his debacle performance. lol
     
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  10. purriwinkle

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    One note of interest concerning Bloomberg’s claims about his Stop and Frisk policy from a NBC fact checking article:

    During his tenure, the murder rate in New York City — not the crime rate — dropped by roughly half, going from 649 murders in 2001 (his first year in office) to 335 in 2013 (his last year in office). But it's a stretch to attribute the decline to expanded use of the stop-and-frisk strategy. The murder rate had been declining for a decade before he took office, and it continued to decline after he left after three terms — suggesting that other forces were in play. The murder rate kept falling after Mayor Bill de Blasio formally ended the policy in 2014.

    Studies have also struggled to find proof of a relationship between stop-and-frisk and a reduction in crime


    The policy was found to be unconstitutional.
     
  11. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Here's a graph of the murder rate for NYC. Things were increasing from 1985-1990, then something happened and the rate started plummeting every year. I don't know what that sosmething was, but the rate started dropping well before Mr. Bloomberg was in office, so it's unrelated to anything he did.

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  12. Jama

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    I remember going to NYC for the first time in 1984 as a kid. The place was a dump. Lots of filth. Lots of crime. Smut, porn shops everywhere, prostitution and exploitation of women. Gangs. Acid rain. Drugs. It was bad.

    When we were out in public, it was like visiting another world that was very hostile. If my mom wasn't applying an excruciating Vulcan Death Grip to my neck for fear of me getting kidnapped, then it's because we were safe inside of the hotel room.... and that was a dump too. lol

    Then.... I go back to NYC as a young adult 10 years later (1994 and again in 1995) and it was like I was in a completely different city. I go back again a few other times almost a decade after that (2003-2004) and it's gotten even better. And again almost every year since 2010.... still great.

    Sure, it's old, a little dirty, run down, and overpopulated. And with that, comes things that are common in high density areas. But it is nothing like what is was when I first went there. 1984 NYC was like a post-apocalyptic nightmare (and I heard it was even worse 10 years before that!) but now it's a great place.... to visit at least. lol
     
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    I agree. We don’t go there often cause when we want to do “big city” Toronto is whole lot closer. Last time we were there we brought the kiddo to see The Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island cause they were studying immigration in school. I had no fears of walking around with her. We took the train down (hubs said she should have the experience of being on a train) and dragged our Pullman luggage behind us from the depot all the way to our hotel and encountered no problems. We were on the subway, hailed taxis, walked around Times Square, went to the Met, shopped up and down the streets safely. My biggest fear was that something from all the construction that was going on would fall on our heads, lol!

    What fascinated me the most, and it’s been a few years now was the rooftop gardens/ gathering spaces you could see when you were high enough. I could live there but I couldn’t afford it for long, lol.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Well I'm sure that glowing testimonial will make *someone* on this forum very pleased, LOL! :rolleyes::D

    I've actually never had the pleasure of stopping in NYC, although I've kind of driven "through" it a couple of times going from Philly to Boston.

    My not so fond memories of my brush with NY are of being chased by CHUDs, Kurt Russell in an eyepatch, and some psychotic woman in a pantsuit ranting an raving about how she "wuz robbd" in 2016. Not pleasant.... or was that a dream? o_O I forget.
     
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    Jama Well-Known Member

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    Wait a minute. I'd like to state for the record that I get a pass from this person *who shall remain nameless* (lol) BECAUSE I have a certain degree of bona fides that relate to this *particular region*, in that I have firsthand knowledge of the people, the culture, locations and even the terrain based on my life experience. This gives a measure of credibility that supports my opinions about this *area in question*.

    YOU DO NOT have that luxury because you do not have those credentials. So tread lightly, or you might get cut!!! ;-)
     
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    ;)
     
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    Jama Well-Known Member

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    btw, I'm watching highlights of the Dem debate last night and I forgot about this, but there were a couple of moments where I'm pretty certain that Amy Klobuchar borrowed Lucille from Negan and the proceeded to pummel Pete Buttigieg's head in with her. It. was. brutal. But I'm not complaining either. lol
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    So for New Yorkers stabbing people is a pretty common response to people disagreeing with you about something is that it? I bet *that* increases tourism! Who *wouldn't* want to be stabbed over something minor? What an authentic NY experience that would be!
     
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  19. purriwinkle

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    Letting it go.....

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    this time, lol, but you see how she is........:p
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Other than my dislike of their State government, I've got nothing against NY per se, and certainly nothing against anyone who lives there.

    Heck, push comes to shove, even President Trump is a New Yorker! With people like him, Bloomberg, both Cuomos, David Berkowitz -- I'm sure it's a heck of a town!
     
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