Not enough Carl.......


Oh......

wait........

yeah, uhhhhh.......never mind

 

not enough Jadis said no one ever

 

I'm really wondering if

 

That Rick and Michonne are even going back to those snakes in the trash.

 

Hey Daddy, I've missed you. How is every little thing?

 

The two main things I didn't like are the offscreen slaughter of junkyard people to instead focus on Simon, all you hear are shouts and gunfire. And the other is constant nonsensical 180's of certain characters. Carl's sudden change is the most jarring, but now seemingly everyone is forgetting that Negan was just about to kill Carl in 7x16, including Rick who didn't call Negan out on that in their conversation at the end? How did Negan have plans for Carl and think he was the future when he was just about to kill him like 2 days ago? I guess it helps highlight how highly delusional he is, but if that's the case then Rick really should've called him out on it, so they dropped the ball with dialogue there

 

So now I'm supposed to believe that Negan isn't such a bad guy, it was Simon all along!!

Then maybe you shouldn't have given us a season and a half of NEGAN BEING THE BAD GUY.

Seriously, it's just an insult to the viewers to try to pretend that what we saw happen isn't really what happened.

 

I did not see it this way. My take away was that they were giving us insight into the fracturing of leadership within the ranks of the saviors. These cracks forming were also evident when Simon responded to Gary's questions about were they going back out there to avenge dean's death, with Simon being quite snarky about what the "orders" given were. Negan very clearly is not opposed to Simon killing a person from the hilltop nor the Heapsters in order to regain control of the situation. Negan sees the value of having people alive to serve his cause whereas simon is hell bent on revenge, wiping out all the communities and moving on, as he stated, branching out extending their reach.

Negan has stated time and time again that people are resources. His worker bees so to speak. Negan's goal has never been to kill em all, but rather to kill a few to drive his point home, that he rules the roost now and falling in line is the only option. He wants that control back. And between Rick and company and now Simon questioning him, whatever control he was still holding onto is slipping away from him little by little. His anger and how quickly he lost control of himself with Simon is evidence of that

I think it was very much in character for Negan to have a moment of regret when hearing about Carl's death and then very quickly finding his footing again and slipping back into meany Negan mode, let me f*ck with your head space Negan mode.

So no, I do not see it as we are now suppose to believe that Negan is a good guy or that Simon is the true baddie here. I think we are seeing Negan as a man who not too long ago had the world at his beck and call and is now faced with losing it all. I think we are seeing a Negan who is finding himself cornered and he is not at all prepared to handle it with a clear head

 

They did at least give you them as walkers (which isn't cheap) and the wonderful tomato purée after. The focus was on Simon because he went against Negan and it will play out later. Why waste time showing them shot up when they were giving us walkers and smoothies?

 

I've been wondering if Simon was the Sanctuary's leader before Negan showed up? While they both use very brutal tactics, Simon uses violence as more of a revenge thing, while Negan sees it as a means to keep order. It doesn't make me think of Negan as less brutal or less of a bad guy, but given what Simon just did to the Heapsters, you can better understand why Negan justifies his own methods. There have been several scenes that have lead me to wonder if Simon was the past leader, does anyone know?

 

Negan did mention something about the leader there before him, didn't he? He didn't say what happened to him, so it's possible.

I think Simon is just crazy, myself. Everything is an act to him. I haven't seen an emotional side to him that reflects who he was before the breakout.

 

I was just wondering because that scene at the Sanctuary where they are around the table with Gregory ,Simon suggests a plan b, and Negan asks Simon if he's backsliding and if he's forgotten who's in charge. That other scene where Dwight shoots that escapee in the back on the highway - he mentioned, referring to Negan - that he just walked in with a smile and a baseball bat and we all started kneeling down to him (something like that..) so it gave me the impression that the Sanctuary existed before Negan showed up. Negan seems to enjoy the challenge of breaking otherwise strong people so thought maybe this is what happened with Simon. Not a comic reader so didn't know if that was something that was addressed there.

 

As for Simon he is a tv written character

 

This is sooo true! We saw what he did to the poor meek doctor who Negan just had an iffy that betrayed him. No way he'd let Simon slide if he was the previous leader.



You are so smart.

 

HOOORAY the garbage patch kids are dead. F them, double turn coats get what they had coming to them.

 

Hey, they were just trying to live like the rest of them. Quirky and weird, but still just trying to survive.