I'm surprised they didn't wait to do this scene until after the groups were together once again, and actually have Carl put her down, would of been a creepy thing to see in the last episode plus it would of affected the whole group had more of the group witnessed it, Tyreese's face when him and Carol come across Lizzie and dead Mika made me laugh for some reason.....

 

Wow. This episode reached my expectations. It was amazing.

I totally didn't see Lizzie killing Mica. I know that she was psychotic, but the most I thought is that one of the girls would be caught by a walker, which would influence on the other one. I was even hoping that Lizzie might change after shooting the walkers down. Lol I was wrong. I almost boiled of anger when I saw her kill the sister.

Another thing I loved was the walkers. Every walker is dangerous and scary, but some of them are really iconic. These burned up ones are gonna creep me for a long time. They looked freaking horrifying and eerie. Especially the 1st two ones that walked out of the forest.

Then the Ty and Carol scene. Even tho I kinda knew he'd forgive her, it was great. I think everyone did. But the lines he said to her, how he knows she feels it and that she won't forget. "You feel it. I know you do. It's a part of you now."
Amazingly done.

 

I felt just the opposite. It takes great strength of character for someone to forgive another over something so shocking, imo.

 

This is entertainment?

I love the show. I'll continue to watch, although I wish I wouldn't now. I'm just disturbed by the fact that the execution of a child is offered as entertainment. I had a similar reaction when we saw Judith's bloodied car seat, but accepted the notion that, yes, kids got eaten, too, in this post-apocalyptic world. The whole Judith cliff-hanger brought me close to the line of "that went too far." But too see that a storyline now shows a child being executed, well, is that really entertainment? Is that really needed? It left me feeling dirty, and my visceral reaction to the idea of child murder totally pulled me out of the suspended reality that one needs to accept/ enjoy the show.

 

Ever since the group had to leave the prison, I have hated, hated, HATED the format of only seeing a couple characters in an episode. But this was the one time where I felt like it actually worked. This episode was amazingly good. The acting was beyond brilliant, especially Melissa McBride, who really knocked the material out of the park.

This had everything. A look to the past bringing up Sophia. A revelation/confession fans wanted to see for several months. A shocking non-walker death with Mika. Then another shocking non-walker death that needed to be carried out with Lizzy. The heart to heart talk between Carol and Tyrece where she gave him the gun and told him you do what you have to do after confessing to killing Karen. Wow. Just a spectacular episode all around. This was so superior to everything we saw between Beth and Darryl in previous weeks with pointless actions, contrived material and not surprising revelations.

And while I still think the whole Tyrece/Karen relationship wasn't set up that well (They knew each other, what, a month when she was killed?) the actors really sold the confession scene.

This episode gets an 'A' from me. And it's been a long time since I've graded an episode that high.

 

I agree. Very well set up in terms of Carol being the most likely to accept death at someone else's hands following her execution of Lizzie (how much more despairing could she be) and Tyreese least inclined to deal death following the execution of Lizzie (how much more despairing could he be).

I agree that Tyreese/Karen wasn't especially well set up (she became a "named redshirt" - someone just set up to die) but I guess relationships in the ZA would be so much more intense knowing the risk that you could die so suddenly. Lots of strong marriages and passionate relationships came out of World War II.

 

unless your name is Beth

 

I'm not even going to read this thread, it'll probably make me depressive...

 

A sad and realistic episode

I think we forget that it wasn't that long ago when infants were left out in the cold to die of exposure and slaves were more expendable than horses. This show is largely about moral dilemmas and gives us a peek into uncivilized reality.

 

Yes, it shows how easily "civilised life" can break down when under stress - extreme stress:Grin:
Anyway, TWD isn't mere entertainment, it's a whole life experience:hatchet:

 

a moment that really sums up why i think the writing in this season hasn't been as good. when they first find the cabin, the one walker comes out and attacks mika and lizzie, and mika shoots the walker. then carol comes out, lizzie's holding the baby and crying. carol says, "Why are you upset, lizzie? Were you scared?" Which is this rather obvious setup for lizzie to say, "i don't want to say," establishing that she's more invested in the walkers than the people. but what the hell motivation would carol have had to ask such an obvious question? yeah, she was upset, a walker just nearly ate her! it's just bad dialogue, and bad character motivation.

 

but did he forgive her because he was afraid of her??/

 

I think carol is herself to far gone and is hardened to emotion..

 

Too much Joffrey Baratheon and too less Heisenberg. And whoever said "needs more cleavage" for an episode containing kids as the main characters :/ ahem !!!

 

Why was Carol telling that racist Huck Finn story to the kids in the front of Tyreese? Supposedly she had read it to them, people do know it has the "n" word all in it, right?

 

I thought about that! the huck finn thing. i mean whether the story is actually racist is a complicated question but it does have a ton of incredibly bad language in it. i wasn't sure if that was supposed to be some sort of inside joke, were we supposed to wonder why tyreese isn't totally pissed, were lizzie and mika supposed to be like huck and tom somehow? either there was something incredibly sly going on there, or it was incredibly sloppy writing, they just picked a children's story at random without thinking about it and chose unwisely...

 

In real life people do sometimes say stupid/insensitive things at times of stress. Or in normal conversation. But yes, I guess they have to move the story on by making the characters say slightly jarring phrases.

 

to me it felt contrived. i also wondered about the flowers thing. it felt like they wrote backwards from the killing scene at at the end. they knew they wanted lizzie to be looking at flowers when she died so they were all, let's make flowers her safe place! but that really doesn't make any sense unless lizzie only had her weird episodes when there were flowers around. also, did they ever talk about her flowery safe place before this episode? they might have but if so i sure don't remember it. which to me, again, feels contrived. suddenly she has a flowery safe place just in time for her to die looking at flowers!

 

Well they could hardly make the execution like Joe Pesci's in Casino!

 

I loved this episode. My only comment is that if this had happened in season two they would have had the events play out over a couple of episodes which I think May have been better given the gravity of the material. I almost feel that this could have been build up to the season finale, with Lizzie being crazier and crazier. Carol and Tyreese didn't seem to torn about what to do, in previous seasons it might have been discussed a bit longer. I would have liked Carol to have shown some tenderness towards the dead girls like stroking their hair or something, said some kind words. But that might have been because the show wasn't allowed to show their bodies. I also would have liked to see Carol struggle a bit more with doing the deed. Overall though this was an almost perfect episode.