Exactly! Before he stated "it all comes back around" and basically took credit for saving Carl's life, i understood Morgan's philosophy (even if i was frustrated with him at some points). His statement about it all circling back around was just so ridiculous in my opinion.

 

I'm looking forward to seeing how this thing with Morgan searching for Carol plays out. It's a great little set up in terms of those two having a serious talk now that they have a better grasp on where each other is coming from.
I'm hoping that we end up with more balanced characters on both sides.
Hey I'd rather have Carol the ruthless killer, but if I had to choose between the current PTSD Carol and a more rounded, at peace with the way the world is, and still able to do what's needed Carol, I'd take the later.

 

So much of this. /thread.

Dont piss on me and tell me its raining.

 

I think Morgan's logic is clearly flawed. I think Rick sees the flaw in his logic but I think Rick realized #1 it's no changing Morgan's mind and #2 he doesn't want to argue with someone who just simply doesn't want to kill. Also I think seeing Carol this distraught over having to kill hits closer to home for Rick that if his main hit man is going through the motions over killing that it's got to be understandable.

 

Yeah, that whole bit of circular logic failed horrible.

Sure, the Wolf saved Denise and Denise saved Carl. Denise wouldn't have even been out on the streets OR in the jail cell if the Wolf hadn't been there. She likely would have just been at the clinic the entire time. Morgan let the Wolves live when he saw them on the road. Those same Wolves found Aaron's pack with info about Alexandria. Those Wolves, who were only alive because Morgan left them alive, then used this information to go to Alexandria where they compromised the wall, led a herd of THOUSANDS of walkers to their walls, which in turn failed. Morgan had a Wolf captive and brought Denise to him to treat him, where she was then taken hostage.

Yeah, your "all life is precious" philosophy is the EXACT thing that brought a world of shit down upon Alexandria. It's not what saved Carl.

 

Anytime you play the "if" game or rewrite history it's to reaffirm our preconceived notions. Morgan does it to justify his own belief system. And those who dislike Morgan to it to discredit him.

 

I think that's what the writers were trying to show. Morgan's logic is flawed. Or, at least completely incompatible with the ZA world. But Rick is failing to realize that his own logic is flawed. And I think Carol's mid-ZA breakdown is the way the writers are going to get Rick to realize there is a better middle-ground between him and Morgan.

 

Exactly. Eventually Rick's gonna meet in the middle between Carol and Morgan's philosophy's.

 

Have to disagree. You are correct that Morgan didn't know about Alexandria, but his actions of letting the 2 wolves live, led to them finding red poncho guy, taking him to the truck yard and then finding Aaron's backpack and the information about the town.

 

So it's indirectly his fault, but still not really. If anything Aaron played a part in them being found by the Wolves.

But it's not like Morgan could see it to the future, so I still don't fault him for it.

 

Yes, Aaron did lose the backpack, so it led the Wolves to Alexandria. However it could have been another survivor looking for a sanctuary that found it, but it happened to be the Wolves who were left alive by Morgan. My point is that in a ZA if someone tries to kill you, you have to take them out. This "all life is precious" crap can only safely go so far. IMO

 

The trap at the truckyard must have taken a lot more than 2 people to put together. It wasn't just some random location. Other Wolves would have found the backpack and tracked Aaron and Daryl back to the ASZ.

For that matter, iirc we don't actually see which of the Wolves finds the backpack.

 

The only reason he saved Denise at the tower was because he wanted to take her with him. I expect that was to try to get her to help with that wound in his side.

 

She had already treated his wound before then.

 

Don't recall seeing that sequence of events. Which episode and how far in can this be proven?

 

Morgan's on the scene, in case you didn't know it. You all were harping for him to return in 2011/2012/2013. You got wood when he appeared in "Clear" Now he is here with a different attitude and you cry...all...day...long.

 

Yeah, well... we weren't expecting him to turn into an AssHole.

 

Don't you remember her beginning to treat Owen's wound after their initial conversation?