Somehow that doesn't surprise me...


Michonne started opening up even during Season 3, especially in "Clear". This has been natural and gradual. They didn't go too far the other way since she started smiling last season. I'm not going to even bother arguing this point any further. I think Scott has done great with Michonne and you don't. Agree to disagree.

 

I think also some people need to realise that "more lines of dialogue" or more scenes on screen does not equal "character development". Just because someone is talking doesn't mean we're learning anything new or that there is any forward movement.

 

You're breaking my heart. There was plenty of forward movement. That was one of the main points.

 

I wasn't even necessarily referring to Still, just making a general point. There was a lot of emotional forward movement in Still for the characters but not much forward movement when it came to the story, which did frustrate me.

 

I'm waiting to fully judge Still. I thought it was a great bottle episode, but if the overall story feels rushed at the end of the season, then I can come back and put blame on this one.

 

I chalk up some of the problems with poor character development to Season 3 Mazzara. To his credit I thought he did a decent job in Season 2. My guess is that they got so caught up in the Rick vs the Governor storyline that other characters suffered. And it just wasn't the female leads. Glenn drifted away a bit after the first half of Season 3. I thought they could've better developed the prisoners. That was actually an interesting storyline in the comics.

What I think is amazing though is that there has been as much continuity as we've had with three show runner changes in 4 seasons. That probably has to do with Kirkman's input, along with the other creative talent.

My guess is that we get some action on the Carol-Tyreese storyline along with the Lizzie stuff. Some people will reunite. The Bandits Rick saw a couple of episodes ago I think will play a part in this season. Then the next big challenge from the comics will be saved for 5A. That's one I'm really looking forward to.

 

All I have to say is I would rather have this episode than not knowing what has happened between Beth and Daryl than them just reuniting with the main group and just leave it at that. Probably not the best duo the fans wanted to see, but at least they showed us what they've been up to. That's really all I wanted to see tbh. People wanted half an episode of this. Then half an episode of another group. And I agree it might of spiced up the sode a bit. But I like stand alone episodes like this. Rather than moving back and forth in-between groups.

We've never seen Beth/Daryl open up like this in a long while. Beth is barely shown for 2 seasons and then she gets a whole episode and people are like "derp still no character progression!". What the hell else would you rather them do? XD What would satisfy you as the viewer and be like yes that's what I wanted to see out of their characters? Sometimes peoples expectations are to high.

 

In contrast, I really enjoyed the episode. Beth wasn't going on a beer run, she was grieving for the loss of her father! On killing walkers? She had the sense to distract a large group of walkers in the woods, which is more than we usually see people do, and killed a couple with a broken bottle for pete's sake! that's more than most men on the show can do. Liability my rump.

On Daryl: I agree about not tolerating violence towards women! BUT, as a believable scene? It worked for me, and while violent, he wasn't *threatening* her, he was treating her like she was nothing -- just what I'd expect someone with his background (father and Merle) to do! It also showed that Daryl was at his breaking point, and the scene and episode showed that he turned around and came back, so that's good.

I wouldn't give him any more alcohol though if I was Beth, who knows? He might turn out to be an abuser.

What was enlightening is that the two of them from very different backgrounds and neither of which being good at communicating with others made a human connection. That to me was worth the episode. I thought the whole hour was good, and couldn't wait for it to keep going, as opposed to the Michonne and Carl episode that was only a half hour but seemed to take days to suffer through.

On the flipping off, it was a continuation of Daryl burning down the house, and symbolically burning and flipping off his past life and self. He's taking a chance with Beth and trying to remain a man in society, and not a snake-killing loner. Might not be your cup of tea, but again, it worked for me.

On your last line, I figure that was your way of saying your whole post was a troll, as no one could dislike such a great episode!

 

This pretty much shares my thoughts as well...

Some of the forum group were predicting an explosion on the boards for the Beth/Daryl romance/shipping, who dies, etc. speculation after 'Still' aired. Looks like the detonation has happened. LOL