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Discussion in 'Debaters' started by Lindigo, Oct 31, 2017.

  1. Jama

    Jama Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah! Life changes people in ways that they would never expect.

    So I don't think Hillary ever made a choice to be dishonest. Who would do that? Her motivations were to accomplish other objectives in life.... Like being the first female President. Nothing wrong with that. But along the way, she acquired other traits that she felt would help her achieve her goals. Even that example is too limited and her actual experience is more complex than that.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Sigh, I agree, life changes who we were completely, in some ways for the better, and sometimes for the worse. Hopefully the older we get the wiser we get.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Meh. She probably DID make that choice. Her 5 year planner looked something like this:

    Year 1: lie, steal, cheat, make a "death list" and get away with as many murders as you can, improve skills in the above as much as possible
    Year 2: repeat year one
    Year 3: repeat year two
    Year 4: repeat year three
    Year 5: Become President and expand my evil to a whole new level! Keep Bill away from women in the WH. Blame Trump for everything bad, even though he's not President.
     
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    Jama Well-Known Member

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    Wow! And I thought I hated her. lmao!
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    LOL, actually I don't *hate* her, really, but I don't like her and she's become kind of my own metaphor for what's wrong with a lot of things. And more importantly, I really hope that when we DO get our first female President it will be someone we can respect and use for girls as a role model - which isn't something I'd say about Hillary.
     
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    Thanks for posting this. I saw it yesterday. I had wondered if they were ever going to get her. I think her father worked for Mossad. She didn't just procure, she sexually abused girls. She needed catching.
     
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    Bill Barr did try to see her, but her lawyer wouldn’t allow it


    The truth is out there
     
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    I’m not surprised Barr would try to get to her. It seems she knows where the bodies are buried metaphorically speaking. They better keep this one safe.
     
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  10. Lindigo

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    Barr wanting to meet with Maxewll may be another joke. I can't find it on the regular news and I don't get a hit on Snopes.

    But this last sentence was interesting (bolded):

    CNN)More than 10 months after the death of Jeffrey Epstein and Attorney General William Barr's declaration that Epstein's "co-conspirators should not rest easy," the next domino has fallen with the Southern District of New York's indictment of Epstein's alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell for operating a sprawling conspiracy to sexually abuse young girls. The big question now: Will Maxwell cooperate to try to save herself -- and if so, where might the SDNY's case go next?

    Maxwell is now in an extraordinarily tough spot. The conduct charged in the indictment -- including sexual exploitation and abuse of girls as young as 14 -- is abhorrent and likely will evoke zero sympathy from prosecutors, jury or judge. The evidence looks overwhelming, including, according to court documents filed by prosecutors, testimony from "multiple victims (who) have provided detailed, credible, and corroborated information" that is "backed up (by) contemporaneous documents, records, witness testimony, and other evidence"; photographs linking Maxwell to Epstein and the sex trafficking ring; and Maxwell's own damning false statements made under oath during a 2016 deposition. Maxwell, who is 58 years old, faces multiple charges that carry maximum sentences totaling 35 years.

    Given these circumstances, Maxwell has three primary choices. First, she can fight the case. But the vast majority of federal cases -- well over 90% -- result in convictions, which could send Maxwell to prison for much or all of her remaining life.

    Second, she can try to work out a plea deal with the SDNY where she admits guilt, does not testify against others, and receives a somewhat lower sentence than if she was convicted at trial. But if I was back at the SDNY, where I worked for eight years, I would have no interest in giving any plea deal to an alleged child predator like Maxwell without requiring that person's cooperation in bringing other possible co-conspirators to justice.

    Which brings us to the third option: Maxwell could try to cooperate with the SDNY to save herself and minimize her potential sentence. The SDNY requires potential cooperators to come clean about everything they know -- every crime the cooperator herself has committed, plus any crimes committed by others. If Maxwell does cooperate successfully, she stands the best chance of getting herself a substantially reduced sentence.

    And if Maxwell goes that cooperation route, then anyone else who participated in Epstein's sex trafficking ring should not sleep easy.

    We do not yet know who else might be in the SDNY's sights, but prosecutors did drop a tantalizing clue by staffing the case out of the Office's Public Corruption Unit (as it did with the original case against Epstein). I did sex trafficking cases when I was with the SDNY, and I know that these cases typically would be handled by the Violent and Organized Crime Unit (which includes the Human Trafficking Coordinators), not the Public Corruption Unit -- unless the case carried potential to implicate public officials.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/03/opin...l-jeffrey-epstein-indictment-honig/index.html


    I have zero hope of anything coming out regarding Trump's alleged involvement with Barr in the DoJ. And maybe that's why, after all these months, Maxwell is finally being brought into the system--while her case can still be "handled." Let's see if the case concludes at the speed of light.

    I know I'm just contributing to the swirl of conspiracy. The lack of integrity with anything involving Barr lends itself to wondering what evil lurks in the dark corners.
     
  11. Sharpie61

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    No, the tweet had a statement from her lawyer. I just didn’t show it here.


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    Invented statement? Because I cannot discover that Maxwell's attorney, Larry Vogelman (or Laura Menninger), has mentioned Barr.

    I'm still looking....
     
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    Several ten thousand twitter users have now liked or retweeted the following claims:

    Baligubadle:
    Breaking: Ghislaine Maxwell’s lawyer has refused to let Bill Barr visit her client in jail.
    10:54 AM · Jul 2, 2020

    source (10.4K Retweets, 47.5K Likes -- as of 2020/07/03 9:39 EST)

    Richard Marx [blue checkmark]:
    Why would Bill Barr want to visit Ghislaine Maxwell in jail the day she’s arrested? Hmmm?
    6:34 PM · Jul 2, 2020

    source (12.5K Retweets, 51.9K Likes -- as of 2020/07/03 9:39 EST)

    Is there any evidence Bill Barr attempted to visit Ghislaine Maxwell on July 2? Or has a reputable news source mentioned this (something other than twitter comments)?

    (a quick google search is only showing those twitter comments)

    https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/...it-ghislaine-maxwell-the-day-she-was-arrested
     
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    Of course he wishes her well, they’re old chums....


    After President Donald Trump sent well wishes to former Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell, who faces charges for recruiting, grooming and ultimately sexually abusing minors as young as 14 as Epstein's alleged accomplice, a former business partner of Epstein's says Trump and Maxwell "knew each other well." CNN's Pamela Brown reports.


    https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/20...y-epstein-relationship-brown-dnt-lead-vpx.cnn
     
  19. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    I couldn't believe it when I read that. WHY would Trump wish her well? What an a-hole.
     
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  20. Lindigo

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    Cohen (I think it was Cohen) said it was code for Keep me out of it and there is a pardon in it for you. Whoever said it, I don't know if that really is the explanation, but it was an interesting comment from an insider.
     
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