Some think shane is a wild card. But think about it. He had feelings for Lori. It's not easy to just turn those off. He could of flown off the handle. But he didn't. He respectfully stepped back when Rick came back.

Then the incident with shooting Otis? Well what would you do? Unfortunately for me I probably wouldn't do that so if I was me then both me, otis and the boy would all die. Instead he sacrificed Otis and saved 2 out of the 3 that would have died? That takes some guts and is controversial as to if it was the right move. But still, 2 out of the 3 faces lived as a result.

Now compared to Rick, Shane has done way way way more for the group. The only thing shane did was help with getting the group out of the city. I honestly can't think of much more that he's done for the group.

Where Shane's done tons:
He saved Rick originally by blocking the door
He comforted the boy and lori when they were distressed
He beat up that wife beater
He defended the camp several times
He taught Andrea to shoot and have more confidence
He saved the boy by getting the resperator
He saved the guns from that moron who was gonna get rid of there only protection measure
He cleared out the barn hazzard
He got lori back to the house when she was tramatized

He's done nothing but kick ass and take names time and time again and he gets no respect, whats' wrong with you people!!!

 

I completely agree!!!!

 

Shane is good for short term immediate solutions. Often those solutions can be detrimental in the long run. Take the attack at the quarry for example, once the attack had begun he was very effective. But he didn't have the foresight to see that they were completely letting their guard down. If he had been a little more diligent maybe those that were killed would have been more prepared to survive.

In that same incident some people (Shane for one) blame Rick because he wasn't there. But those people forget that Rick realized that those guns he went to recover were going to come in real handy. The big mistake he made was counting on Shane.

 

Bro-hug!!!1

 

98% of that entire post is 'questionable.' But -

Seriously, holmes?

Bro, you're too tired to think.

 

Seriously, that whole respirator mission was a huge cluster****!

 

No need to insult some one just because your laundry list looks different than theirs.

 

He also came up with the plan to get under the cars when the horde moved in.
He got them out of the CDC mess by reasoning with the Scientist.
He was the voice of reason to talk Hershel into letting them stay within the security of the Farm.

 

You can also include..
Being a reckless idiot, throwing the doors of the barn open while people he claims he wants to protect where within 50 feet of it not knowing just how many were in the barn or if they would succeed.
Insistence on chasing after some military base, bringing everyone with them, without any sense of thought as to how safe it is.

Tried beating up the scientist which definitely would have helped the entire group well on their way to vaporization.

Not being smart enough to have 4 point stake outs at the quarry even though they had spotted a zombie in their area. People died on his watch as a result.

While knowing that noise and flames attract zombies, decided to ignore what he knew and join into on the very loud howdy
doody time rukus at the Fish fry.

Never once went to scout or scavenger, just sits around moping at the barn, stomping around and bitching about everything that he thinks is wrong. Any kind of physical help you see him doing, tends to be along side others in the group rather than him going above and beyond to protect anyone.

Now with all this said, I do not claim him to be wrong ALL the time, there are plenty of times he is right. However, it is unrealistic the way some people around here try painting him like some damn messiah for the group when in reality, he is only human, prone to mistakes and mishaps, including flaws, and screw ups. He's no better than Rick, and claims of him doing soooo much more appear hyper inflated to me.

 

Yes sir, and no one is conspiring to kill him either.

 

Well said and exactly right.

 

Yes, if you like someone, then whatever he did is a whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, if you do not like a person, then whatever he did is an action of idiocy, so what is the point to waste the time to further discussion ?

 

Rick is honorable and and has humanity.And is respectful of others' ideas and thoughts.

 

In the comic, Rick is half TV Rick and half TV Shane, according to the multiple spoilers we know, part of TV Rick will "step into" dark side, and part of him will became Shane after the death of Shane, that makes perfect sense to me.

 

As a viewer, and quite possibly if I was on the ground seeing what they see, I would hang with Rick.

And honestly, while these two always seem to be in the middle of discussions like this, let us not for get the man that is bringing high energy food to the camp... Daryl.

 

I very much agree, I get a little frustrated that people either paint him up with either horns or a halo.
He's done some bad things, and some good things, and some good things in really bad ways.
Overall I think he's trying to do whats good for the group, but he just fails to do it right.