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  1. tink

    tink Well-Known Member

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    The officer involved has been placed on leave:

    http://time.com/4733652/united-airlines-chicago-passenger-officer-leave/?xid=time_socialflow_twitterhttp://time.com/4733652/united-airlines-chicago-passenger-officer-leave/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter

    Although you'll note in this article that they are already trying to spin things so that the passenger is responsible for everything - police say he "fell and hit his head" (like they weren't even near him), and he "became irate". And from United: "After our team looked for volunteers, one customer refused to leave the aircraft voluntarily" - he did not volunteer, so why should he voluntarily leave the aircraft? He paid for that seat, he does not have to volunteer to get off.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    United's CEO apparently approves of his staff's performance:

    As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/te...ceo-defending-employees/ar-BBzGiwF?li=BBnb7Kz


    When our country has gotten to the point where large corporations aren't even apologetic for physically abusing a paying customer, one really has to wonder if we'd be any worse off under a Chinese or Russian run government. It seems like we're getting closer and closer to the final chapters of Animal Farm.
     
  3. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    OTOH, no matter how bad it is here now, it's worse in other places:


    "West African migrants are being bought and sold openly in modern-day slave markets in Libya, survivors have told a UN agency helping them return home.

    Trafficked people passing through Libya have previously reported violence, extortion and slave labour. But the new testimony from the International Organization for Migration suggests that the trade in human beings has become so normalised that people are being traded in public."

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...n-libyan-slave-markets’/ar-BBzH0t4?li=BBnbfcL
     
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  5. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    United told the Feds 2 years ago that every passenger is guaranteed a seat on the plane when they buy a ticket... except of course when they aren't.

    “Including advance-seat-assignment charges among the ‘basic ancillary service’ fees that must be disclosed as part of initial fare displays makes no sense,” the airline wrote to the Department of Transportation. “Every ticket, of course, guarantees a passenger a seat on the plane, with no additional mandatory seat-assignment charges."

    Later in the filing, United Airlines expanded on its promise to regulators that it guarantees every ticketed passenger a seat.

    “Importantly, every passenger who buys a ticket on a United flight or a flight on any of United’s partners or competitors in the United States will be assigned a seat at no additional charge (though in some cases this will still happen at the gate),” the airline wrote. “Therefore, the rule does not need to prescribe how carriers must disclose charges concerning advance seat assignments because passengers need not purchase this service to receive a seat assignment.”

    ...

    Federal rules do not prohibit airlines from overbooking flights. Despite United's assurance to federal regulators in 2014 that it guarantees seats for all ticketed passengers, the fine print of the airline’s “contract of carriage” agreement on its tickets says the company retains a right to bump passengers off flights for myriad reasons.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...rs-are-guaranteed-seats/ar-BBzJLPS?li=BBnb7Kz
     
  6. Jen7

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    One thing I kinda don't understand...was there not one or two people on that flight who, when they heard this guy was a doctor and had to be at the hospital the next day, could have been like "Hey no problem i'll take the $800 and free hotel stay...i'm not in a big hurry." There had to be someone who could have taken it. Like the lady who was yelling "OH MY GAWWWWD" during the entire thing. Maybe someone eventually did volunteer, which is why they let him back on.
     
  7. PepperAnn

    PepperAnn Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking the same thing. Everyone was quick to react but not quick to help.

    And no, he got back on the plane himself. He broke away from them somehow. They escorted him off a second time.
     
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    Oh wow he got back on himself! I had no idea...something i read seemed to imply they let him back on.

    There was also an article somewhere that talked about how this guy had struggled with drug addiction before. I thought wow, how nice...drag his name through the mud in addition to the entire world watching him get dragged off an airplane. I'm not sue-happy but man i would be rich after this if i were him.
     
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    I read the same thing and thought they let him back on. Apparently that was misunderstood by a lot of people. I think it was in this thread that that was cleared up though. In the official statement United put out detailing what happened.

    Yeah there was a LOT of stuff that came out about him, which I found awfully unnecessary. He paid his dues for the stuff he did....that has nothing to do with this.

    I think I heard that he IS going to sue.
     
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    Good! I hope he gets millions.

    I agree - who cares about his past. That doesn't mean he deserved what happened in this instance. I've seen a LOT of people in comments on articles/posts saying things like "well he should have gotten off the plane when he was told to". So basically he deserved to be bleeding and dragged away for not wanting to give up his seat lol. People alarm me sometimes.
     
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    Yeah there are other ways to handle this other than what was done. Like maybe refuse seats to the 4 airline employees and have THEM take a later flight? I know you can't just move on to the next random person and expect them not to say no as well but jeez....
     
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  12. tink

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    The thing that people also don't realize is that he was not offered cash compensation or his money back for his ticket, he was offered a voucher, meaning it could only be used to buy another seat at some other time on the same airline that just jacked him around. So you can't take that voucher to another airline and get a different flight home. You're just stuck and further at their mercy.

    And as far as his past, SO WHAT. He got in trouble for drugs a long time ago, so that means he deserves to get beaten and dragged off a plane that he paid to be on? That made me sick.

    Late yesterday the moron running United finally apologized directly to the man. He still didn't sound sincere, but at least he was no longer blaming him for what the airline did.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Below is a quote from one of the most disturbing "news" articles I've seen in a long time. MSN apparently feels that it's "news" that someone in Oregon lied to his friend on his deathbed, with President Trump being the victim of the ghoulish prank.

    I wonder if MSN would have thought it newsworthy if Hillary Clinton was elected and someone in Kentucky whispered to their dying friend that she was thrown in prison?

    Seriously, with all the problems the world faces, THIS, gets printed rather than a real news story?


    "An Oregon man died "peacefully" after a friend falsely told him that President Trump had been impeached.

    Michael Garland Elliot died on April 6, according to his obituary in The Oregonian, and the final words he heard were that the president had been impeached.

    Elliot's "ex-wife and best friend" Teresa Elliot shared the false news to bring him comfort in his final moments, according to the obit."

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/or...eached/ar-BBzXbI6?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Your fancy Bose headphones are sending what music (and other things) you are listening to to data mining companies. Not just what you are listening to now, but *everything* you've listened to.

    Somehow, this makes the "your microwave is spying on you" not sound so nutty after all.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bose-headphones-spies-on-listeners-suit/ar-BBA31gf?li=BBnb7Kz
    "A new class-action lawsuit claims high-end headphone company Bose has been tracking and distributing customers' data without telling them.

    According to the complaint, filed late Tuesday in the U.S. District Court in Chicago, the headphone company's Bose Connect app does more than just pair wireless headphones with the music in their devices — it also connects the user's entire listening history with third-party data mining companies.

    A person's music and podcast listening history can likely reveal personal and identifying details, the lawsuit says. For example, if a user listens to a Muslim prayer service, it is likely the individual is Muslim, the suit notes. Other potentially revealing information such as sexual orientation or health concerns could also be gleaned from the data, the suit says."
     
  15. tink

    tink Well-Known Member

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    No, the microwave spying on you is still nutty.

    As to Bose, honestly, what do you think Apple has been doing for years? Everything you've ever bought, listened to, saved, etc.
     
  16. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    No, I think this is different. If I buy something from a gardening site, I wouldn't be surprised if they sold that info to other gardening stores, and if I bought music from Apple, I wouldn't be surprised if they sold that to others. If I bought headphones from Bose and they sold that fact to someone, fine.

    But if you buy headphones, you don't expect the headphone company to tell other people what you are listening to. That's like if you buy a Chevy having OnStar track what stores parking lots you park in and how long you stay at each place to someone. Or if you buy a t.v., does the company have the right to record what you watch and sell what you watch to other people?

    The difference is that with Apple, they are only giving others information on what you actually bought from them. With Bose, they are giving information that has nothing to do with your purchase. That's different and an invasion of your privacy.
     
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    This at first seems like good health practice, raising the cost of cigarettes, but I find the unanticipated consequence fascinating. Because of high taxes, over half of all cigarettes smoked in NY *now* are bootlegs, what percentage will it be when the price goes even higher? And this doesn't include people buying cigarettes on the Indian reservations (which are about $2-2.5/pack. Is this really the best way to curb smoking?

    After all, being flat out ILLEGAL didn't stop people from smoking marijuana. Why would it stop tobacco smokers?


    "NEW YORK — It already is the city that never sleeps — and if Mayor Bill de Blasio has his way it will become the city that never smokes.

    De Blasio on Wednesday announced a package of proposed bills that would, among other things, raise the base price of a pack of cigarettes from $10.50 to $13, making New York home to the costliest cigarettes in the country. If the legislation passes, it would join an ongoing campaign by the city to get smokers to quit — a campaign that includes a series of jarring public service announcements that show people dealing with amputations, life with no voicebox, or the last stages of life due to cigarette damage..

    But the move also drew attention to another issue in the city — sales of bootleg cigarettes from other states that allow smokers in New York to bypass taxes and buy cigarettes for as little as $7 or $8 a pack. New York State leads the nation when it comes to cigarette smuggling and 55.5% of cigarettes smoked in the state in 2014 came from smuggled sources, according to a study published in January by the non-profit Tax Foundation."

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ny...ighest/ar-BBA3zyz?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=mailsignout
     
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    Hmmm..."joining an ongoing campaign to get smokers to quit" or capitalizing on a gripping addiction?
     
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    It's pretty obvious that raising the price doesn't work, and putting nasty lung pictures on the pack doesn't work, and that guy taking his teeth out on TV REALLY doesn't work because it makes me change the channel.
     
  20. PepperAnn

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    Tink, you a smoker?
     

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