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Discussion in 'Debaters' started by Morgotha, Feb 28, 2017.

  1. purriwinkle

    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    As far as I’m concerned the whole thing has been a circus presided over by Bozo.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Ah. I had heard he was enrolled at ASU. Guess not. Eh, on the one hand I'm disappointed, on the other he probably has to stay in WI until his trial is over -- one way or the other.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this. I don't think he should have been there at all with a gun, supervised or not. What I'm saying is that if the rioters weren't there none of this would have happened in the first place. And the Kenosha rioters were much LESS peaceful than the Jan. 6th protestors. How many buildings did the Jan. 6th people burn down? How many vehicles, etc. were destroyed? I'll admit they have one similarity, though. The only people who actually killed someone in both Kenosha and the Capitol were people who were trying to *stop* the rioters, not the rioters/protestors themselves.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Remember that the guy Rittenhouse shot who illegally brought a handgun to the riot and pointed it at Rittenhouse was NOT charged for doing so, so apparently just having a gun there isn't a crime for either side.

    Rittenhouse was running away from a mob, with the first guy he shot being a part of that mob shouting, "I'm going to kill you". He *was* trying to escape the situation, and they kept chasing him with the man trying to grab his gun - trying to grab someone's gun and telling them you are going to kill them is pretty aggressive. I'd say that constitutes a situation where he was reasonably in fear for his life. The second guy was literally hitting him in the head with a weapon (his skateboard) while he was on the ground. Again, from Rittenhouse's pov at the time, he was reasonably in fear for his life. The third guy admitted in court that Rittenhouse did not point his gun at him until AFTER he pointed his pistol at Rittenhouse! If someone pointing a pistol in your face isn't grounds for self-defense I don't know what is.

    I don't know which way the jury will decide, they have access to all the evidence and the *responsibility* to do what they believe is right that's far different from what you or I have just sounding off on the internet. Although I may grouse about it afterwards, I'm happy with whatever they decide. By their actions they are taking their duty seriously.

    The thing that bothers me is the protestors outside the courthouse. There's no way that isn't being heard by the jury, and Rittenhouse's life is at stake here, he has the right to a *fair* trial, and not one that's being influenced by outside pressures.
     
  5. Morgotha

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    That's not entirely fair to the judge or the lawyers. With the probable exception of defense attorney these people didn't ask to be part of a national media circus, nor are they trained or experienced at having a national spotlight kept on them 24/7. They are just normal people who have had this burden put upon them. IMO they are doing the best they can, even the prosecutor (who *I* think is a particular bozo).
     
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    It's amazing who they're letting out without bail. Attempted murder of a police officer in a man who previously attempted to murder (and multiply stabbed) a police officer? Well, if that's the society you wanted, I suppose you got it. Also, it shows how dangerous the lives of police really are, and how they become so paranoid. The first time this guy tried to murder a cop he was just being arrested for possessing pot, and he turned around and started stabbing the cop. I'm sure the cop thought it was a nothing situation at the time, but it turned deadly in a second, and without warning. That's a lot of stress to live under on a day to day basis!

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    A veteran NYPD officer is outraged that the man who nearly stabbed him to death in 2008 was freed without bail Sunday for an attack on another cop.

    "I was in shock," said Queens Officer Demitrios Raptis, 42. "I didn’t even know he was out of jail. The guy hit him in the head with a safe and could have killed him."

    Isus Thompson, 38, is accused of randomly assaulting Officer Kyo Sun Lee in the Bronx, approaching him from behind and smashing him over the head with a metal safe that was inside a backpack, according to prosecutors.

    But Judge Audrey Stone released him without bail on six charges including felony assault — despite a prior attempted murder conviction for the brutal ambush of Raptis, court records show.

    "It's insane," Raptis said. "I'm angry. These judges are letting these people go and they’re violent. They’re not looking out for us or the people that we serve. They’re looking out for the criminals."

    The Queens cop caught Thompson smoking weed in a playground inside a Forest Hills park June 6, 2008, and escorted him to his cruiser, where he told him to put his hands on the hood.

    "That’s when he just turned around and started shanking me in the stomach," Raptis recalled.

    "I didn’t have time to pull my gun. I started punching his arm that held the knife to get it out of his hand. It finally fell and he ran away.""

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-cop-angry-ex-con-stabbed-got-no-bail-attack-officer
     
  7. DeadZedHead

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    I thought handgun guy had a carry permit. So you are saying Rittenhouse was just sitting on a car hood playing solitaire and three guys rushed a man with an AR 15? He cited an earlier interaction where he felt threatened. Rittenhouse was just walking by and was threatened for no reason? Im not absolving the rioters of any guilt but i doubt Rittenhouse was innocent of provocation as well. The difference is he killed people.


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  8. Morgotha

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    The handgun guy had previously had a handgun permit but didn't have one at the time of the shooting. Yep, I'd bet they threatened him for no reason. They were there to *riot*, provocation is their raison d'etre. Remember, these aren't three young boys, they are three criminals, at least two of which being convicted of *violent* crimes previously. Actually, that's probably why the third guy no longer had his carry permit, he previously was convicted of carrying while intoxicated and was arrested for burglary - not exactly the type of "citizen" the police want carrying a concealed weapon.
     
  9. purriwinkle

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    It was luck only that saved the Capitol building from being more seriously damaged because the rioters from Jan. 6th were concentrating on finding Congresspeople and the Vice President to do them harm. In Kenosha there wasn’t such a direct target.

    The woman killed at the Capitol was shot by a law enforcement officer in the line of duty. The people killed in Kenosha were shot by an underage vigilante who had no legal authority to keep the peace. That is why one shooter is being tried on criminal charges while the other is not. Not rocket science. If Kyle had not been in Kenosha, no one would have lost their lives.
     
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    Meh. I can have my opinion like you can. Personally, I have not been favorably impressed by the whole trial proceedings. You don’t have to be “trained” to be in the spotlight, to carry out your duties in a dignified manner. At least we haven’t been treated to any “catchy” slogans….if it doesn’t fit you must acquit.:rolleyes:
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Nope. The Capitol protestors had plenty of time to spray paint everything, rip paintings off the walls, topple statues, burn things, etc., if that was what they wanted to do and with 17,000 protestors, if they wanted to they could have. They didn't. That's far different than the Kenosha and other blm/antifa rioters who DID want to cause destruction, and did.

    The woman murdered in the Capitol was shot for no reason whatsoever by a panicked cop. If her shooting was justified and part of an official procedure then the cops should have been mowing down protestors like crazy. If he wasn't accused of a crime, he has only his position as an agent of the state to thank for it. I find it hard to understand how you can find his actions justified and think Rittenhouse should be found guilty of anything.

    And you don't know what would have happened if Rittenhouse wasn't in Kenosha. Perhaps these violent felons would have killed innocent people, you don't know. Another way to look at the situation is to say the ONLY people that died in Kenosha were violent criminals, a fortunate outcome brought about by Rittenhouse.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    I never said, nor meant, you weren't entitled to your own opinion -- with the understanding that mine is usually the correct one :D. LOL, I hear you about the slogans, but what would you say?

    "Felons aren't burning your house? Thank Rittenhouse!"

    "Without Kyle's AR society's FUBAR"

    The cops stood down while the town burned. "Who you gonna call to save your business, Ghostbusters?"
     
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    As far as I’m aware, the Capitol rioters weren’t necessarily there to do damage to the building although they did do damage by trying to gain entrance. They also weren’t above stealing things such as laptops, etc.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbr...ice-items-stolen-destroyed-in-capitol-attack/

    However their main goal was to stop an election certification and harm government officials.

    According to his account, the Capitol officer warned the rioters before discharging his weapon. As you always like to remind us , if the people had done what the officer ordered they wouldn’t have been shot.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...t-during-capitol-riot-breaks-silence-n1277736
    Soon a horde of demonstrators arrived. Byrd, a 28-year veteran of the Capitol Police, took a defensive posture with his gun drawn as rioters smashed the glass doors.

    He said he yelled repeatedly for them to get back. But the mob kept pressing forward, and then a lone rioter tried to climb through one of the doors.

    Voila. Woman doesn’t listen to the policeman and gets herself shot.

    Where was Kyle’s badge? Was he even employed as armed security? Did he verbally warn anyone repeatedly before discharging his weapon. What were the people on the streets supposed to think when they saw an armed boy raising his gun?
    Do you ever consider they were afraid for their lives which led them to try and disarm Kyle? The protest had destructive actions carried out by protestors that I didn’t approve of but it was the actions of a “panicked” boy that defined that night.

    We actually do know what happened in Kenosha because that event is in the past. We don’t have to guess, or play what if. Take Kyle Rittenhouse out of the equation and there would be no deaths.
     
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    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    Well, that’s a matter of opinion, LOL.

    As for your slogans? Don’t quit your day job. ;)
     
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    Yep, woman didn't listen, got herself shot. If you would apply that same logic to every other police/criminal interaction we'd see eye to eye on 99% of criminal cases. George Floyd? Didn't listen to police, got restrained. Guy in Georgia at Wendy's that fought with police? Same. Other guy that fought with police? Same. Heck, Jacob Blake, the cause of the Kenosha riots didn't listen to police, got tased, then shot. Voila. I'm glad to see we agree the deaths of these criminals was the fault of the criminals themselves and not the police!

    I didn't think it was the case, but apparently we've been agreeing this whole time! You don't listen to police and get shot? A bummer, but it's your fault, not the cops'.

    Where was his badge? The reason he was there was that the police were told NOT to intervene in the riot, and were filmed just sitting in their cars watching people burn down the town! Personally, I think the mayor and whoever else gave orders like that should be held accountable for the damage done and charged with the deaths of these people as well. But if the police are told NOT to respond to crimes? The only options left for citizens are to just accept being the victims of criminals, or to fight back themselves. I don't blame the kid for feeling like he had to do something, I think that's good citizenship.

    We know what DID happen in Kenosha, but we don't know that without Rittenhouse there would have been no deaths, there may have been *more*. That's something we do NOT know.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    "Don't quit your day job" is quite the expression in itself.

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    You know what we could encourage is saying, "they were Rittenhoused" every time some criminal gets killed by their intended victim or by a good citizen intervening. This would be kind of like the expression "they were Westinghoused" started by Edison every time someone was sent to the electric chair.
     
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    Oh, I get it. Like he pulled a “Kavanaugh” every time someone melts down in phony tears during an interrogation. If it’s a woman we could say she did a “May Ella”.
     
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    How bout “Ritten should have stayed in his F’N house.” “Want to end up in a pile, walk up to Kyle.” “Want the charges fudged? Look no further than a Kenosha judge.” “Kyle hopes for mistrial.”


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    Australian man selling his own house posts No Asians in the ad. Reporter confronts him. He is not shy about calling them crooks.


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