Don't disrespect GimpleLord.

 

How else is Carol supposed to show up besides just showing up? They even gave the explanation that Carol saw what was left after the fight and was trailing behind Tyreese and the girls for a while, but couldn't catch up to them (I think she was keeping her distance because Tyreese may have known about Karen). That's not out of nowhere. And I thought Glenn didn't get on the bus, I missed that he was giving any explanation for what happened there. Regardless, maybe some got away, some didn't. We don't really care about them. It was a way to get rid of peripheral characters that didn't defy logic.

The writing has not gotten lazy. It's gotten better.

 

I agree. I thought the Carol scene was fine. I like surprise reveals like that, just like with Judith. Tara explaining away the fate of Lilly seemed cheap and tacked-on. So did Tyreese explaining away the blood in the car seat. Cheap exposition.

 

GimpleLord no like you.

 

It was more than that. Tyreese said "It was a lot worse at the prison." Come on.
Also how was Tara's unprompted description of her sister's death not cheap exposition?

 

I'm not sure if I'd call it cheap. The episode did a lot of subtle explanation and exposition, so some in the dialogue felt fine. Shows can't always use absolute nuance for that kind of thing. Both instances made sense. The wound was still an issue, and Tara just found someone who was treating her well and she had no other outlet. Glenn was someone to talk to. Dialogue exposition is often cheap, but I don't think these qualify.

There wasn't a clear explanation, but there are several available. People getting shot, people who were sick and died, people who were elderly and died, etc. No one alive in the show will ever know exactly what happened, and neither will we. They were unimportant characters and they served their purpose. The way they were killed wasn't offensive or illogical. There is nothing wrong with that.

 

I think that being sick, elderly and just coming from a shitstorm at the prison could be viable reasons. Is this really what you're concerned with? So many other great things tonight, to discuss.

 

Eh. Close quarters. Some were sick. Maybe they ran out of gas and were surrounded by a herd. I could see it happening. And its sometimes nice when things go unexplained. Gives it a "real" feel.

No disrespect, but the was a little defensive/combative/argumentative. We're all here to debate, and we're not going to agree on everything.

 

It boils down to the sentiment that things should be shown and not told. In general, that's true, but good fiction and nonfiction writers know when to show and when to tell. You never choose just one as a writer. I think this episode did both really well.

 

Sry double post.

 

LOL well it is TWD. No biggie.

 

Those people were on the bus and not fighting for a reason. Most of them were probably still sick, and yes, elderly. We didn't see everyone who came out of the bus. It could have been a perfect storm of bullets, sick, and elderly. It's all well and good for us to assume that it couldn't happen that way, but people were in a position to die and turn and the bus was close quarters. Maybe some got away. Who knows. We won't. They don't have to explain anything away and the lack of information about exactly what went down doesn't make it unrealistic. Just unknown.