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Time for Trump to go

Discussion in 'Debaters' started by Morgotha, Jul 20, 2015.

  1. purriwinkle

    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    Well, she did live in it once and had plenty of access to it while she was Sec. of State. I’m sure she was in the West Wing often. Maybe she and Al are ardent supporters of the movement to abolish the electoral college, lol. *sigh*
     
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    His problem, and our good fortune, is that most past authoritarians rise up to quell the chaos that is on someone else's watch. Germany was a mess economically and living with the shame of the Treaty of Versailles when they turned to Hitler. Franco in Spain helped to foment instability for his own gain, but he wasn't in power at the time. He capitalized on the divisions in the country, overinflated the Communist threat, and then subsequently even prolonged the civil war to consolidate power.

    So the economy, the pandemic and any instability he creates will all be on him.

    Yes, he's resolutely evil, but we're fortunate that he's also a moron. This is a guy who was just bragging that he aced his dementia test and last month thought injecting bleach would be a good idea to kill the virus.
     
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    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    More from FOX News opinion - Eric Swalwell

    Excerpt:

    Clearly, the president hopes this show of force will boost his flagging reelection campaign and divert attention from his abysmal mismanagement of the response to the coronavirus pandemic. And once again, our reality-TV president is staging political theater without regard to the Constitution or our laws.

    In his announcement Wednesday, Trump said he has ordered major federal law enforcement deployments to Chicago, Kansas City, Mo., and other “Democrat-run cities”— an explicit acknowledgment of his political motivation.

    Jacksonville, Fla. and Fort Worth, Texas — cities with Republican mayors and rising homicide rates — don’t seem to be targeted.


    This latest example of Trump’s politicization of law enforcement is among the most un-American acts the Trump administration has committed so far — and that’s saying a lot.


    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/us-protests-portland-chicago-eric-swalwell
     
  4. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    My understanding was that these Federal forces were being deployed to quell the riots that are happening in Portland, Chicago, etc. that the mayors refuse to stop. Are there riots in Jacksonville and Ft. Worth? Also, "rising homicide rates" is a pretty nebulous phrase. A city having a rise in homicide rates going from one to two homicides per year is doubling its rate - but is still much less of a problem than a city going from 300 to 400 per year.
     
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  5. purriwinkle

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    My understanding was that they were sent there to protect federal property. They have been patrolling far and away from federal buildings, infringing on American citizen’s first amendment rights, fueling the unrest and giving the protesters a larger platform.

    Yep, smart move.

    In general, do you approve of federal interference over states rights in this type of matter? Are you sure you’re a republican, lol? Do you not see the forest for the trees? The long range implications? Republicans won’t always be in charge so they should be very careful about what precedents they set.
     
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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    If people are burning down Federal buildings they should be arrested and stopped from doing so, regardless of whether they are left wing or right wing. Any mayor who refuses to protect their city's residents and its property should IMO be recalled by its citizens - again whether they are right wing or left wing.

    The forest for the trees here is that allowing violence and destruction is NOT acceptable regardless of your political party or aspirations. I don't know what you mean about being careful about precedents. If a bunch of Republicans start burning down Federal buildings I'd hope and expect that they would be arrested for doing so just as quickly. I don't want ANYONE burning down buildings, and would be more than happy to cheer on Democrats that stop violent Republican protests. I think it's really only your "side" that thinks their group of people should be allowed to destroy while the other "side" should not be.
     
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    First and foremost, NO Federal buildings have been burned down. There have been some fires lit nearby but were put out. A fire was set in the Portland Police Association building which was also put out however I wouldn’t disagree that arson should be discouraged.

    Fine, have officers surround and protect the buildings but they have no right to go out into the community, to unlawfully snatch and detain Citizens without probable cause and attacking protesters who are not engaging in any other activity other than exercising their right to protest.

    If the citizens of Portland feel like they need to be protected, why do we we have mothers forming a wall to protect the protesters? The Feds are escalating rather than de-escalating the situation that would have eventually resolved itself. The Federal government should be concerning itself with a more cohesive response to the true enemy ravaging our country, Corona virus, especially if elected Portland officials do.not. want them there.

    Maybe we should send the Feds into states that refuse to order a mask mandate. Those citizens are imperiling their fellow citizens, straining medical services and resources as well as keeping our economy from being able to fully reopen. Those people should be arrested and fined. Maybe clubbed a few times so they get the message. Far fetched? Heavy handed? Will those Republican gov. appreciate the help? It’s a thought. I know it isn’t an exact apple to apple comparison but one situation is endangering more people than the other, IMO.
     
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    You make a good point, purriwinkle. It’s like some people are only concerned about something they can see. The coronavirus, the “invisible enemy,” is thought by many to be a hoax and wearing a mask is an infringement on their basic rights, whereas the protestors are clearly visible on your TV screen each night. Some people find it more comforting to take action against a visible enemy as opposed to an invisible one.
     
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    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    And we get a look at the written part of his cognitive exam, from the New Yorker, lol

    Blitt’s Kvetchbook
    Trump Aces the Cognitive Test


    By Barry Blitt

    3:03 P.M.


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    The Chapter 11 one was the best.
     
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    It's about time! I can't believe how such an offensive organization is allowed to exist.

    "
    A group of Republican House members, led by Rep. Louis Gohmert of Texas, introduced a resolution Thursday that would effectively ban the Democratic Party from the House or force a party name change over past slavery ties -- a response to the recent efforts to remove tributes to past members of the Confederacy from the halls of Congress.

    It specifically cites the Democratic Party platform's support for slavery between 1840 and 1856, and other racist actions by party members through the early-to-mid 1900s, before calling on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to "remove any items that names, symbolizes or mentions any political organization or party that has ever held a public position that supported slavery or the Confederacy" from the House and its properties. The resolution also says such a party "shall either change its name or be barred from participation in the House of Representatives."

    Gohmert, in a statement accompanying the bill, told Democrats they should rebrand to "avoid triggering" anyone.

    "As outlined in the resolution, a great portion of the history of the Democratic Party is filled with racism and hatred," Gohmert said. "Since people are demanding we rid ourselves of the entities, symbols, and reminders of the repugnant aspects of our past, then the time has come for Democrats to acknowledge their party’s loathsome and bigoted past, and consider changing their party name to something that isn’t so blatantly and offensively tied to slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination, and the Ku Klux Klan."

    He added: "To avoid triggering innocent bystanders by the racist past of the Democratic Party, I would suggest they change their name. That is the standard to which they are holding everyone else, so the name change needs to occur.""

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/go...o-ban-democratic-party-over-past-slavery-ties
     
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    Your point that “people are only concerned about something they can see” is a good one. I would say while no one can actually see the virus we have all seen it’s results unless you live in a cave in a remote part of the world. The staggering number of cases are reported daily as are images of over whelmed medical facilities, etc. That’s some elaborate hoax. Unfortunately, some people may only heed warnings when they themselves, family members or people they know become infected. That’ll get real fast.

    I think in some ways the same principle applies to what’s going on in Portland. There have been protests all over the country in the wake of George Floyd’s murder because we all saw it and change has already taken place in numerous police departments. This takes a predictable course as did the civil rights movement in the sixties. This is how society evolves, as it were.

    However, now Trump has deployed the Feds to a city, ostensibly (IMO just a cover for his real reasons) to protect federal buildings. Those Feds have “battled” with the public nightly. Their presence is a visual reminder of unwanted interference by the federal government. Instead of remote action from Washington they now have a very real “enemy” to spar with. The agents have exacerbated an already volatile situation.

    As per the article Mo cited, which was excellent, this has become a truly entrenched standoff now.
     
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    This is the White House version
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    My eye is drawn to this area in both pics
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    The top one is clear by the hand and club. The bottom is blurry in that area, compared to the rest of the photo.

    My take. He’s that heavy in the 1st photo, but has photoshopped wet stains.

    BUT - if it is real, I had read up on why men may start lactating.

    https://othersideofscience.com/2012/07/03/male-lactation-theres-probably-something-wrong-with-you/


    The truth is out there
     
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    Sharpie61 Well-Known Member

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    After looking at both photos side by side. Both have been doctored. One to make him look bad, one to make him look trimmer.


    The truth is out there
     

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