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Time for Trump to go

Discussion in 'Debaters' started by Morgotha, Jul 20, 2015.

  1. tink

    tink Well-Known Member

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    Too late.
     
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    Even Barr admits there is no election fraud. The Attorney General admits it even if the naysayers can’t.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/thehil...barr-breaks-with-trump-on-claims-of-fraud?amp


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  3. Sharpie61

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    Biffster Well-Known Member

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    Why make a big stink about it?
     
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  5. Sharpie61

    Sharpie61 Well-Known Member

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    Trumps lawyers must have received a Trump U degree
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    The truth is out there
     
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    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    What chowderheads, lol. In a class of graduating law students there’s always the bottom half of the class and you can just about see where some of these lawyers ranked, lol.
     
  7. Biffster

    Biffster Well-Known Member

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    Quiet around here lately.
     
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    tink Well-Known Member

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    Trump regime was offered the opportunity to buy 100 MILLION doses of vaccine last summer, but they DECLINED. Now it's back-ordered & we'll have to wait in line.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/07/us/trump-covid-vaccine-pfizer.html

    And Trump says he's writing an executive order to force them to sell to us first, they are a multi-national and are under no obligation to do so.
     
  10. Biffster

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    Quite the leader Dear Leader is. He can’t be gone soon enough.
     
  11. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    You'll remember that the government was asked to purchase additional vaccine before the vaccine was even shown to work, and before it was shown to be non-toxic. If Trump had forced the US to buy an extra hundred million doses of a worthless vaccine you'd likely be upset about that, as well.

    And while it's true that Pfizer has no obligation to sell us extra doses, they still need to think about their future in the U.S. For example, if they prioritize vaccinating North Korea over us? Their next applications for drug approval, other regulatory hurdles, receiving payment for their products in the world's most lucrative market, etc., will likely become quite the headache for them. That being said, I'm reasonably confident they won't forget about us - although I'm sure they'll gouge us for all they can.
     
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    tink Well-Known Member

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    "Pfizer board member
    @ScottGottliebMD
    on the report US declined to purchase additional doses: "$PFE did offer an additional allotment coming out of that plan ... multiple times and as recently as after the interim data came out and we knew this vaccine looked to be effective.""

    https://twitter.com/SquawkCNBC/status/1336305253021528064

    Also, Pfizer isn't prioritizing North Korea over us, they are prioritizing governments that purchased product from them - including the UK and multiple other first world countries. Trump declined even AFTER the vaccine had been shown to be very promising. Pfizer has issues with the supply chain so even if they wanted to give us more, they may not be able to.

    I'm surprised you want to defend Trump over even this.

    How do you feel about him calling governors of states and trying to get them to ignore the voters in their state and just declare him winner anyway?
     
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    tink Well-Known Member

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    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Remember a few months ago when the media was saying Trump was crazy for saying there'd be a vaccine by the end of the year, and how it likely would be a couple of years from now? Now you and those same people are saying Trump is wrong for not investing American money in a vaccine that they said wouldn't exist in the first place? How does that work?

    The guy bought 100 Million doses of a vaccine for the country before it was proven to be effective, if for no other reason to incentivize the company to produce a vaccine. It seems pretty silly for you now to Monday morning quarterback the amount of doses he bought after his decision to sponsor their research and his predicted timeline both proved to be correct.

    Oh, and on Trump trying to get the governors of the state to try and declare him victor? Actually, I remember the exact same thing happening in 2016, with several prominent Dems trying to get states' electors to vote for Hillary instead of Trump. It wasn't good behavior in 2016, and it isn't good behavior now.
     
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    tink Well-Known Member

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    What Trump was saying, and that everyone said he was crazy for, is that the vaccine would be available and we'd all be vaccinated by the end of the year, so not to worry about COVID. And that still isn't true. And they said then that it would be mid- to late-2021 before the vaccine is widely available, and that still holds true.

    I don't remember anyone trying to overturn the 2016 election. Hillary had conceded the election by the next day.

    There was discussion about whether the election was fair, but no one tried to overturn it. Maybe some crazy left wingers, but this is basically the entire Republican party trying to throw out legally cast votes because their guy didn't win.
     
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  16. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    On the timeline with Trump, you're welcome to put out the effort to pin down the timeline if you want. I've decided it's not worth the time.


    Perhaps we remember 2016 a bit differently:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-electoral-college-faithless-trump-231731
     
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    tink Well-Known Member

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    Ah. Those were individual electors though, not the Democratic part or the president. And because of it, many states passed laws that prevent electors from being faithless, including in places with liberal state governments.

    This is the President of the United States of America calling republican colleagues within state governments and telling them to ignore their voters and declare him the winner. He is supported in this by almost his entire base of voters as well as republican party leadership, senators, governors, congress-people, etc.

    This is not a little thing.
     
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  18. purriwinkle

    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    According to this article there were seven “faithless” electors in 2016 and none of their votes went to either main candidate. At the time, five were untrue to Ms. Clinton and two to Mr. Trump.
    Ms. Clinton did not board the crazy train to try and draw out what did not go her way on Election Day but conceded speedily as @tink said.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/which-...ven-faithless-electors-support-election-2016/

    As for the vaccine, the end of the year is fast approaching. No one in the US has been vaccinated to date. Remember, these vaccines now under consideration require two doses to be administered for full protection. For enough of the population to be properly vaccinated to reach herd immunity will not come about until at least the middle of 2021 with numerous factors at play due to distribution and cooperation. A coordinated approach by the new administration would be helpful, IMO.
     
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  19. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    The point being Trump isn't the first sore loser in history.
     
  20. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Please. Hillary is still complaining the election was "stolen" from her NOW, 4 years later.

    On the vaccine, it's coming out a LOT faster than I thought it would. On the "two doses" thing... we don't really know that. One might be good enough. That would be what I'd do initially, give 100 million people one dose and give them a second later when available.
     

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