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Discussion in 'Debaters' started by Morgotha, Jul 20, 2015.

  1. purriwinkle

    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    I read that FOX business article and it was it’s usual mishmash of misdirection. Take the PennEast pipeline spoken about in the article. It concerned domestic pipelines that were withdrawn NOT due to federal interference but because the Gas Co. failed to get needed permits from the States involved. Per the article:

    The 120-mile (193-km) pipe was designed to deliver 1.1 billion cubic feet per day of gas from the Marcellus shale to customers in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. One billion cubic feet is enough gas for about five million U.S. homes for a day.
    PennEast was canceled, the company said, because it had not yet received all of its required permits, including a water quality certification in New Jersey. It was one of the last major pipeline projects in the works set to pull gas from the Marcellus/Utica formation, the biggest U.S. gas shale basin.

    We do not import Russian gas At ALL. The US is already
    exporting 10 % of our natural gas. Per this article:

    The surge in U.S. production in the past decade turned the country from a gas importer into one of the world's biggest exporters. The United States exports about 10% of the gas it produces as liquefied natural gas (LNG).

    https://www.reuters.com/business/en...nnsylvania-new-jersey-natgas-pipe-2021-09-27/

    Maybe we can export more to our European Allies since Pennsylvania is already one of the biggest natural gas producers but it doesn’t have anything to do the aforementioned pipelines.

    We don’t import much oil from Russia as we receive most from our immediate neighbors Canada and Mexico.

    The U.S. gets most of its imported oil from its two immediate neighbors: In 2021, more than 51 percent came from Canada and more than 8 percent from Mexico. Russia came in third at just under 8 percent.

    https://www.canarymedia.com/article...h-oil-does-the-us-actually-import-from-russia

    Maybe Mexico could step up although from the way they’ve been treated I don’t know why they would. Don’t blame the Dems for that one.
     
  2. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Remember that we're talking about a profitable gas company that wants to build a pipeline not your lazy uncle Herb. I'm sure they had people on staff for the sole purpose of getting permits, etc. from the .gov. If it was so simple them to comply with the government's demands, do you *really* believe they wouldn't have gotten their permits and started building?

    The point of the pipeline is to get LNG to the places it's needed. If getting it to Jersey gets it to boats and to other countries, then NOT having a pipeline means the gas isn't being exported to some place else. Again, this is a *business*, they aren't just going to spend the money to build a pipeline because it's fun to build one, if they are building it it's because they believe they *need* it to sell their product.
     
  3. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    While we're on energy, the Dems today blocked passage of a Republican bill to make America energy independent, and on the "oil" front would include increasing leases for oil production, finishing the keystone pipeline, etc. At the end of the day, our political parties show their colors. AND even cities, etc. are suing the oil companies now, *for climate change*! You can't seriously tell me the Left isn't trying to put these companies out of business.

    "https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ho...ll-energy-expert-slams-move-as-unconscionable"


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    After a century of wielding extraordinary economic and political power, America’s petroleum giants face a reckoning for driving the greatest existential threat of our lifetimes.

    An unprecedented wave of lawsuits, filed by cities and states across the US, aim to hold the oil and gas industry to account for the environmental devastation caused by fossil fuels – and covering up what they knew along the way."

    https://getpocket.com/explore/item/...ey-may-pay-the-price?utm_source=pocket-newtab
     
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  4. purriwinkle

    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    That’s amazing and wonderful! Once the environment is ruined it’ll never be the same plus the cost of clean up can be exorbitant.
    The oil companies have been issued leases already that they haven’t used. They can start there.
     
  5. purriwinkle

    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    That’s BS. The pipeline was headed for customers in Jersey the article said, not to be exported. Maybe the states aren’t convinced they can build the pipeline in a safe way that won’t harm their water or land. Maybe their constituents don’t want it so the state leaders are listening to the people. No one in the US is experiencing a shortage of natural gas.
     
  6. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    So trying to sue the oil companies out of business is a good thing? I suppose losing our energy independence and buying oil from (and hence supporting the governments of) regimes with abysmal human and women's rights records is a better thing in your eyes.

    On those leases, they aren't all the same. Saudi Arabia's oil, for example is around 25 feet below the surface, making it cheap to extract. Some of those US leases have oil that's *thousands* of feet down and would be very expensive to extract. If the price of oil is low it the oil company would be losing money to extract the oil.
     
  7. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Not b.s.at all. Before the current crunch weren't you the one complaining about how the Keystone pipeline's oil would all be sent overseas instead of being used domestically? The point being oil and gas can be sent wherever. People in the US want lower prices now, the article shows this can give it to them. It doesn't say that the gas can NOT be sent anywhere else, and what about the gas that is currently being sent to NJ that no longer would be needed? Would the company just not use it? That doesn't sound like a good business practice.

    You seem to have suddenly forgotten about supply and demand after being so vociferous about it yesterday.

    The trouble with your "we aren't expecting a shortage" idea is that if a situation arises where we need more natural gas we'll need it *now*, and new production can't just be ramped up overnight. It takes *time* to get industries up and producing. People will suffer because of the mindset of "well, we're not suffering now, so we don't need to do anything". The sad part is if there is a disaster and next Winter, say, people are literally freezing, have no hot water or electricity or something on the East Coast, who will YOU blame for it? "The People" and governments who kept filing lawsuits to stop the oil companies from building anything, or "the greedy oil companies"? Somehow, I think I know the answer.
     
  8. purriwinkle

    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    It’s America and anyone can sue anyone if they think it’ll help them obtain their objectives. The oil companies will never be sued out of business. They have the money and resources to extract oil no matter how deep down it is.
     
  9. purriwinkle

    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    I have never supported the building of the Keystone XL leg and am pleased it’s been stopped for now. You were the one probably bitching about any oil from Keystone being sent overseas.

    We produce enough natural gas for domestic consumption. Business decisions will be made as to whether or not we want to export more than the current 10% that we export now.

    Blame outdated infrastructure and grids for power shortages. In some places like Texas they were unprepared for the effects of climate change on their ability to deliver the needed power to their people. Hopefully with the funds provided by the passed infrastructure bill we will begin the updating we need.
     
  10. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    That's right, and that's the point of having the leases. IF the price of oil goes high enough, they can extract the oil. When oil can be more cheaply gotten somewhere else, though, they aren't going to go after oil they will lose money selling. The point being many of those leases are currently worthless as far as production goes, they are just insurance.
     
  11. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    I do blame outdated infrastructure for a good deal of our woes. Whose FAULT is it that we haven't seriously upgraded our infrastructure since it was built in the 1950's? Putin's? The oil companies? Nope, it's our Congress' fault, and especially the anti-energy left wing part of it.
     
  12. DeadZedHead

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    The entire point is that oil doesn’t HAVE to be the only game in town. If we developed and implemented more green energy, they could export even more than they do now. Imagine if high oil prices benefited us instead of hurting us. No one is trying to put oil companies out of business, just give us an alternative.


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  13. Sharpie61

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    Our gas went down 20c in less than a week.
    Probably because the barrel is under $100 now.


    The truth is out there
     
  14. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    That's such b.s. The stated goal of the greens IS to forcibly put the oil companies out of business!

    If the green's goal was to make alternative energy so much more attractive and cheap than petroleum that no one would buy petroleum products and the companies would go out of business, I'd agree with them 100%. That's not their goal, though. Their goal is to stop big oil now and hope that alternative energy can make up for the loss.
     
  15. DeadZedHead

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    I never hear that anywhere except fox news. They talk about needing to convert to green. They never say go cold turkey before we have a replacement.


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    purriwinkle Well-Known Member

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    This and the country is consumed with a slap at the Oscars? Asking for favors from Russia about Biden Hunter? LOL. Maybe Trump should be a comedian except his timing stinks. Partner?
    Of course. We’ve all seen how “cozy” he is with Putin and now Moscow state media confirms it. Talk about outrageous.
     
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  18. Stealth

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    The news these days needs to come with a surgeon general's warning about how hazard it is to your health. Everything is so surreal, but it's our reality.
     
  19. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    "Make sure you get 10% for the Big Guy". Hunter Biden's laptop is a real thing, he's corrupt as evidenced by his Ukranian oil company gig, painting scam, etc., and it's looking like Biden is involved as well.

    That's something Americans need to know about. If our press is in bed with the Democratic party and refused to investigate it, why NOT ask other people to say what they know?
     
  20. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the Oscars incident is important in that it shows how much the social norms of our society have collapsed.

    If our media won't look in to Hunter or Joe Biden, who CAN you ask to expose their misdeeds? LOL, the Dems had no problem asking for Russian help when the target was Trump and they were pushing validation of the (fake) "Steele dossier".
     

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