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Discussion in 'Debaters' started by Morgotha, Jul 20, 2015.

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  1. Rapscallion

    Rapscallion Well-Known Member

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    The Republican nominees were already crowded before Donald Trump announced his candidacy. The Republican leadership and the media both want Jeb Bush to win the nomination.

    Chris Christie won't win the nomination because of that "Bridgegate" incident.

    Dr. Ben Carson, Ted Cruz and Bobby Jindal won't win the nomination because they're the wrong kind of minorities...conservative.

    Carly Fiorina won't win the nomination because she's the wrong kind of woman...conservative.

    Rand Paul won't win the nomination because of his father Ron.

    Scott Walker won't win the nomination because he stood up to the unions in Wisconsin.

    All the others are barely blips on the political radar.
     
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  2. Sharpie61

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    Walker will give Bush a run for the money though.
    It seems a lot of Wisconsins people like him.
     
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  3. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    I feel that the fringe candidates DO add something to the process as they force mainstream politicians to address issues that they otherwise wouldn't.
     
    #23 Morgotha, Jul 22, 2015
  4. westwingnut

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    Trump ran before and faded quickly. This time around he has gained some traction because he kicked off his campaign by taking on the immigration issue.

    A few days after he started campaigning, Kathryn Steinle was murdered at a tourist site in San Francisco by an illegal alien. He had a felony record and had been deported five times.

    Thing is, San Francisco has declared itself a sanctuary city. It won't cooperate with ICE even when the person involved is a felon. Unless ICE goes to court, San Francisco will simply release the person into open society.

    Even worse, earlier this year the Sheriff of San Francisco, Ross Mirkarimi, issued a directive to his deputies that forbade them from even making a courtesy call to ICE to inform that an illegal alien felon was about to be released from custody.

    And even worse, after the Steinle murder Mirkarimi gave a bombastic presser blaming ICE for not getting a court order for a person they did not even know was about to be released.

    That is why Trump, for all his buffoonery and bigoted rhetoric, is gaining more popularity.
     
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  5. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    I don't think walker has a chance because he doesn't have a college degree. I can see the "liberal elite" hammering him on that daily.

    Bush, otoh, has a degree in latin american studies, met his wife in Mexico and has taught english as a second language - but is apparently some blueblood that doesn't give a damn about the plight of our southern neighbors.

    It's funny how the media can spin things. We hear lots about Bridgegate, but didn't hear anything about Michelle Obama's salary doubling when her husband became a state senator, or about them taking favors at their property etc. Didn't even know he smoked like a chimney until he was in office. I guess if you're in the left wing, you're probably a worse person than you're made out to be, and if you're in the right wing, probably a better person than you're made out to be.
     
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  6. Fun One

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    Conventional wisdom would be that standing up to the unions is a good, nay, GREAT thing for a Republican. Caving to the unions is the Democrat thing.
     
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    In 2015 having a college degree should be a prerequisite for the presidency. It already is for any managerial level white collar job in America.
     
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  8. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    I was shocked when I found out a state governor wasn't a college graduate. I thought most national level politicians were lawyers, as they have to deal with bills/laws every day. Walker did surprise me, I'll say that.
     
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  9. Rapscallion

    Rapscallion Well-Known Member

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    When Walker took on Wisconsin's unions, thousands of union members camped inside the state house to protest. If Walker's presidential bid gains momentum, there'll likely be adds giving their view of the union debate and how Walker stole their contracts and benefits.
     
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  11. Morgotha

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    It bothered me that these were PUBLIC union employees. In a union of a private company, the execs must face hard choices when dealing with a union, as to give in to all their demands might bankrupt them, but to give in to none might leave them with no workforce and bankrupt them. With a PUBLIC union though, where's the stress on the executive elected official? Union wants something, you want to get reelected, it's easier just to give it to them and let the taxpayer foot the bill.

    I give Walker real credit for trying to keep his state's budget and finances under control. If that integrity was carried out nationally the country would be in a better place.
     
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  12. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    Remember Hillary's magical money making in cattle futures? Travelgate? Whitewater? There's probably a pretty big list of her corrupt activities, which brings up the question: Would you rather vote someone in to the office of President who is a known crook, OR someone who may believe in some form of divine creation?
     
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  13. Rapscallion

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    I'll give you another example: Benghazi.

    The Clintons and Obama hate each other, but they're all corrupt. Bill only spoke at the 2012 Democratic Convention because Obama promised he'd endorse Hillary when she runs in 2016.
     
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    Well, the topic of the moment was Scott Walker, so that's who I was talking about. Hillary Clinton is not my first choice for President, for some of the reasons you mentioned. But one person's record must be compared to the overall context. Benghazi may be a demerit on Clinton's record as Secretary of State, but that is a tiny blip compared to the disaster that was the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

    Getting back to Walker, my concern is not that he may be a person of faith. It's that he and some other Republicans might allow religion to be presented as science in our public schools. I find that kind of thinking to be incredibly shallow relative to the requirements of the office. Fighting against one's political opponents is easy. Taking on the wingnuts in one's own party is the hard part.
     
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    When a group of Republicans get together to play bridge it gets confusing because they all want to bid no Trump.
     
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  16. Morgotha

    Morgotha Well-Known Member

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    I thought your point was that walker isn't qualified to be President because of his potential religious views, and because of them you seemingly dismiss the good things he's tried to do for his state. OTOH, with hillary you seem to write off her corruption completely because you like her overall performance? IOW, you seem to be using different standards in how you judge candidates based on their political persuasion.

    Although I may be wrong :)

    Also, I *highly* doubt that if elected president, walker would try and have creationism taught in public schools - that seems like a rumor the democratic scare machine would try and spread, but it doesn't seem like something that would really happen. I'm not a walker fangirl btw, but I *do* give him a lot of credit for trying to balance his budget against the interests of a powerful lobby and succeeding. That took guts, and is a presidential quality.

    I also look at the invasion of iraq and bhengazi as two different types of errors. invading iraq was a bad decision, and one with large consequences for the country, but one that was made by the president at the time for what he felt was the right reason. bhengazi otoh didn't have a huge consequence for the country, but it was a bad decision made for the wrong reason, which, imo, is worse. If the person who made that decision was in charge of the country, and makes a similar decision on a major situation, the repercussions to the country could be devastating.

    LOL! you know what the most ironic part of my post is? If the country could do a do-over, I'd much rather we would have elected hillary than obama at this point, if I had to choose between the two.
     
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  17. westwingnut

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    Yes, you are very wrong about that. I already indicated that I agree with some of the charges made against Hillary Clinton. And there are a couple other things I have against Clinton that you didn't mention. I didn't go into detail because the topic was education and Scott Walker.


    Now who's doing the overlooking? This "two types of errors" stuff is just a dodgy way to use two different standards to evaluate administrations based on party. I happen to think that the Iraq invasion was made for the right reasons. However, there was so little planning for the aftermath that motive became irrelevant. The Bush administration went into Iraq believing they would be able to use the existing Iraqi military once Saddam Hussein was deposed. Eric Shiseki was forced out as Army Chief of Staff when he stated that we would need to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops in Iraq. But the entire Iraqi military had to be disbanded and rebuilt from scratch, in large part because most of the officers were Sunnis who had been loyal to Saddam Hussein. But the worst part is that in the end, after all those deaths and injuries and multiple deployments and wealth spent, the Bush administration left behind a pro-Iranian government that froze out the Sunnis and left an opening for ISIS to emerge. The massiveness of this blunder cannot be waved away with vague thinking like "good reasons v. bad reasons".

    The outcome of the Libyan intervention wasn't any better than Iraq. At least we limited our involvement to the imposition of a no-fly zone and didn't send in significant ground forces.


    By the way, I mentioned this before but perhaps you missed it: The last time I voted for President, it was for W.
     
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  18. tink

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    Scott Walker = mental. He is in the pocket of the Koch brothers, plain and simple, so he wants everything that they want across the board.

    Trump is obviously the mentalist of all of the current people running, but he's really only in it for the attention. Going after Latinos right out of the gate pretty much guarantees he can't possibly win. PLUS HE HAS CRAZY HAIR.
     
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    Obama and the Democratic leadership are in the pocket of socialist billionaire George Soros. Soros has given away a small fortune funding Democratic campaigns and the Occupy Wall Street protestors.
     
    #39 Rapscallion, Jul 24, 2015
  20. westwingnut

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    Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right. (I mean the Democrats and the Republicans.)

    I happen to give high marks to President Obama for being able to comprehend both sides of the issues, although I agree with only half of the Democrat agenda. One core issue where I agree with the Republicans is monetary policy. But the Democrats have been following the Republican playbook since the mid-90's and it's obscure stuff that nobody debates these days.
     
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