I think Rick gave Shane ample opportunity to respond in the first exchange; Shane chose silence. In the second exchange Shane spoke but was nowhere close to receptive to Rick's terms. That's two strikes for Shane in my opinion. Rick is clearly giving Shane the opportunity to abandon his unhealthy attachment toward his family... before he decides to treat Shane like and other threat in this new world, and dolls out the ultimate justice/punishment.

 

The drama is far from over between these two men. And do you notice that Rick did not start any drama on the death of Otis? Rick acted like "Do you do it for survive? Then no biggie", that is understandable, but poor Otis.

 

Rick will not do that for saving himself, but if he believe that is the only way to save Carl or Lori, yeah, I believe he would do that

 

But here's the problem. It is not a negotiation between the two men. If Shane says that's not fair, what Rick is going to say, well okay.. you can have them on Tuesday and Thursday and I'll get the weekends??

Rick didn't give him a chance to speak because it was non-negotiable. Lori and Carl are Ricks. Not Shanes. Period. Just cause Shane got some while everyone thought Rick was dead, does not give him claim to them now. It's like Shane is a sqatter and the rightful homeowner comes home. At that point, the sqatter gets his ass kicked out of the house.

Shane finally fully admitted about Otis, and Rick accepted it. Done and done. Fine.

The only other thing that struck me while I watching was that at one point Shane seemed to imply that he wasn't sure Rick was dead when he left him there. Did I misunderstand this nuance?

And lastly, I loved the comment from Rick that its time for Shane to come back now - fully recognizing that Shane's been on the edge, but that Rick believes in him and wants him to be with him.

 

I really like what Rick did with these conversations. He told Shane what he needed to do to stay with the group. If he can't, or will not do it, there's the road. They have been partners and friends for some time and Rick just doesn't want to give up on him. I get that, I really do, but I think that Shane sees what Rick is willing to do if push comes to shove. It's all up to Shane now.

 

I wanted to Thank you for this post but the thanks button has gone missing again. I agree with what you are saying here. I think Rick was more fair than he had to be. I loved when he told him he knew for a while and wanted to knock his teeth down his throat.
But yes I was also wondering if Shane was implying that he wasn't sure Rick was dead. He said something like "I could barely live with it". Irregardless, now that Rick is alive and back Shane needs to back off. But he isn't going to and that will ultimately cause his demise.

 

Perfectly stated. I agree 100%

 

I really need to stop giving my opinion about where I think Shane or the show is going. I had previously thought that Shane was on a downward spiral and marching to his end. But... as you guys are saying, Rick gave him a choice. Called him out. Stop being a dick and you can rejoin the group. Shane fancies himself the best protector. Rick told him point blank that he had to let go of that fantasy and back off. I don't know whether he can or not now. I'm not sure I give much credibility to the promos. They are out of context snippets that are meant to titillate. Shane has a choice. I hope for Jon Bernthal's sake, he makes the right one. I think he gives a lot to the series.

 

Simply PERFECT.

 

I did like how Rick gave Shane zero options - either fall in line or without hesitation I wouldn't think twice about killing you or anyone else to protect what's mine - My wife,my son and my unborn child. And after their bar room brawl so to speak how Rick made it clear that after the talk and the fight that he wasn't going to have this talk again.Seeing Shane's expression almost wounded in a way and seeing what kind of man Rick really as whatever he thinks or feels that Rick is a man to be reckoned with and if any dissension on his part may not be as easy as he thought. He will cause problems because he got knocked down a peg and probably humiliated in his mind and will still continue to talk out of school about Rick and cause problems. Guess what Shane that will lead to your continued undoing and let's just be honest here demise.

 

Maybe ... maybe not.

I think if Rick humiliated Shane in front of the others, then Shane would have cause to be a dick about it and continue to talk out of school. But He wasn't. AGAIN, Rick showed the man he is... took his best friend out away from the others to tell him:

A) I knew about you two. Long before I was told about it. And I did not like it.
B) I understand what you had to do to save those you love, to save Carl. I will do the same things too.
C) MY wife. MY son. MY baby. Deal with it.
D) You need to come back now.

Shane is at a crossroads. He can either accept what Rick said (no matter WHAT Lori says... RICK is the one talking now and guy code says Shane should respect Ricks words more than whatever the hell Lori says), or he can leave. I HOPE that Shane steps up, and hooks up with Andrea - but truthfully I think Andrea will become Shane's Lori - or as one other poster put it.... Shane's Lady MacBeth....... I simply cannot see a peaceful resolution given the current personalities....

 

Maggie, excellent synopsis. Your point that Rick took Shane out, away from the group, away from the car, to lay down the law is spot on. He gave him an option free from ego. And not to be too obvious, they shot the scene AT a crossroad. Now they both know the score. Everything is clean. But Shane has a choice. Come back to us and help, or continue as you are and be left to your own devices. Will Shane choose real love, honor and family over his own selfish desires? Like I have said before, for Jon Bernthal's sake, and our own, I hope he "chooses wisely".

 

My

Truth to be told? There was NO talk between Shane and Rick. The only one talking was Rick.

And he told Shane:

-You DON`T love Lori
-this is my baby
-you have to follow my rules and accept everything I just said

How come that Rick decides what Shane is feeling or not feeling? I trully believe that Shane is deeply and dangerously in love with Lori. I even think he is obsessed with her. No matter if you like Lori or not, it´s the truth. And the unborn baby is making it even worse. And I have to agree with some others here. I think Shane started looking at her "that way" long before the zombies.
Telling a man "you are not in love with her" and saying "that baby is mine", no matter what...that is not a talk. Rick simlpy stated how HE would like the situation to be (and Lori too). He even didn´t asked Shane.."why are you thinking you´re in love with my wife?" ect. Hence teh fact that Shane never said yes or no about accepting Rick as leader and rules maker.
I can understand the point Rick is making. He wants to cool down his best friend. But I think he is only making it so much worse. Maybe I´m totally wrong and we see a more stabil and less Lori-obsessed Shane next Episode, but I would not bet on it.

My two cents? The moment Shane has the chance to kill Rick/leave him behind and therefore the chance to have Lori back (in his eyes), he will not hesitate.

English is not my native language, please excuse any wrong spelling. And I´m not taking any side here..truth to be told I think I like them all :zombies_lol:

 

Shane won't kill Rick. Rick will kill Shane or someone else will. Shane is going to go back to his old ways and still obsess over Lori. Lori will talk to Rick and being that Rick gave Shane options and to either fall in line or get himself killed. Rick wants his best friend back but he doesn't have the trust he once had for him and that was obvious. The only reason Rick came back to save Shane is because he saw the two bodies of two dead LEO corpses.That made him think about the past and let him give Shane a chance and option.But Shane is going to mess everything up and betray Rick again.

 

Rick gets to decide what Shane is feeling or not feeling because it is Rick's wife that Shane is feeling this way about!! And I would have told the person too. Rick is telling Shane, Lori is mine, back off or suffer the consequences. Rick is being fair and just in the way he is handling the situation with Shane. Shane is just too far gone to see it. If Rick were unfair he would have left Shane trapped in that bus.

 

Exactly. Even when Rick was telling Shane to back the **** off and telling him that Lori was his wife and Carl was his son and the unborn was his and that he would kill him if he pursued past course. More or less. Shane lied to Rick saying he never looked at Lori like that before and wished he could take it back.He told Lori " it was a long time coming and to admit to how she was really feeling and what they had was real."So Rick was right all the way. I'm still waiting for the incident at the CDC between Shane and Lori to come out. If and when that secret comes out - I think Shane has already signed his own death warrant anyway.