If you are going to drive a car a long distance, it makes sense to have a mechanic check it over first, but I have never been on a car trip yet where my husband didn't check the oil, water, tires, etc., himself first. If you are responsible for something then YOU are responsible, not some third party that can, as I'm sure in this case will, say, "...sorry". Baldwin could have prevented this with 10 seconds worth of checking things himself.

On the revolver, the video below shows how to check a revolver. The man pushes one button forward on the side of the gun, and pushes the cylinder out. 10 seconds? probably 5. 5 seconds of Baldwin checking a gun he is going to point at someone and pull the trigger on would have saved a woman's life, and NO ONE on that set could be bothered to do so! If that isn't the definition of negligence, I don't know what is!

 

Do they let Hollywood actors drive cars if they don't know how to drive? Probably not, as it would be too dangerous. Similarly, an actor shouldn't be pointing guns at people and firing them if they have no idea what they are doing. Someone might end up dead as a result. In fact, someone HAS ended up dead as a result.

 

From the article:

"
The June 29 incident was recorded on bodycam video that was released Wednesday by police. Sgt. Ed Acuti stopped the car near East 2nd Street and North Airport Boulevard for speeding.
When Acuti approached the car and asked the male passenger to get out the car, the passenger fled, dropping a loaded stolen gun, police said in the release.
The 17-year-old driver, who has not been identified, remained at the scene where she was arrested and questioned by Acuti about her connection to the passenger.
The police-worn bodycam video shows the teenager and the officer yelling and cursing at each other, according to the release."
..
The driver was arrested for speeding, driving without a valid license and obstructing a peace officer but was released that evening."



Should the police officer not have yelled at the suspect who was *yelling at him* and driving without a license, and speeding and carrying a passenger who had a loaded, stolen gun on them (and fled the scene)? Yes. The police officer should have kept his cool. Would I punish him in that situation? Nope. These people aren't innocent civilians, but criminals committing crimes at the time. I don't see any reason to punish the police for not being sensitive to their tender feelings.

And you're calling HIM a bad apple? What do you call the suspect that fled the scene after dumping his concealed loaded stolen gun? A hero? How about the woman who was speeding, driving without a license in the first place and transporting a criminal? A patriot?

 

"The gun Baldwin used was one of three that a firearms specialist, or armorer, had set on a cart outside the building where a scene was being rehearsed, according to court records. Halls grabbed a gun off a cart and handed it to Baldwin, according to the records."

The armorer put three guns on a cart, the person who handed that particular gun didn't check it, and neither did Baldwin. NO one did. I'd say that they both are responsible, but I put the final responsibility on Baldwin, he pulled the trigger. I'm not asking for Baldwin to make sure the gun was safe, that's an armorer's job. I DO think he has the responsibility to at least take 5 seconds out of his busy day and see for himself it it's loaded or not when it's supposed to not be.

When you drive a car, don't you look to see how much gas is in it? Or do you say, "I don't need to look, I was told it was full"? understand what you're saying, but I disagree about who bears the final responsibility.

If you read below what a Hollywood prop master says SHOULD have been done, and look at what actually was done, this was no "accident", it was criminal negligence at a minimum.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-accident-prop-master-gun-safety

 

Ilhan Omar says that increasing crime in Minneapolis is the police's fault. BTW, in her video she gives two reasons for increasing crime, the first being the police not fulfilling their oath of office and the second was no one (in government) taking responsibility for the failure of the police. Criminals, well, they aren't responsible at all.

"
Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., blamed police for the recent rise in crime in Minneapolis, accusing the city's officers of not fulfilling their oath of office.

"What we must also recognize is that the reduction in policing currently in our city and the lawlessness that is happening is due to two things," Omar said during a town hall event Saturday in Minneapolis.

One of them, she said, is that "the police have chosen to not fulfill their oath of office and to provide the public safety they are owed to the citizens they serve." "

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ilhan-omar-blames-police-for-rise-in-violent-crime-in-minneapolis

 

On a lighter and stranger note, Ariana Grande meant to tattoo her new album "7 rings" in Japanese on her hand, but actually tattooed the characters for a barbecue grill. Eh, if you want to tattoo something in a foreign tongue that you don't understand on yourself, you might want to have someone who speaks the language double-check it first.



https://www.huffpost.com/entry/aria...-bbq-grill-on-hand_n_5c51b1bde4b0d9f9be6b52e1

 

I understand your POV as well. I wouldn't expect a young child to be responsible for anything like gun safety, OTOH, I can't see why movies should have young children shooting guns in the first place!

And "no", Baldwin did not do everything he could have. In the article from the propmaster, he says they demonstrate to the actor the gun is unloaded in front of them. Did this prop person do this? No. Did Baldwin? No. If they are not following standard safety procedures, it is not an accident, it's negligence.

I agree that altering a prop is not Baldwin's job. Assuring that he is not about to kill someone I'd say IS his job.

 

I would be very surprised if your relatives didn't watch the armorer load their guns with blanks - I'd think anyone who shot guns for a living would be pretty paranoid about what they were shooting.

Perhaps as an actor he isn't legally responsible, but it was a completely avoidable situation if safety protocols had been followed. He'll have to live with that for the rest of his life, as will her family. She, of course, doesn't get to live at all.

About the safety being practiced there?

"The gun that shot and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza on the set of Alec Baldwin's film Rust was previously used by crew members for target practice, TMZ reports.

Sources connected to the production tell the outlet that the prop gun had been used recreationally for target practice away from the set prior to the deadly shooting."

So... this wasn't a set with its firearms tightly controlled by the armorer, these yahoos were out plinking in the desert with them when they weren't filming. This really looks more like criminal negligence than an "accident" to me.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/alec-baldwins-gun-rust-shooting-035729501.html

 

Yah, I guess I agree on Baldwin as an actor. In a properly run set an actor monkeying with guns is probably more dangerous than one NOT doing so. Someone or someones on that set were grossly negligent though, and ought to pay for it. A woman died because of their behavior, I can't stand the thought of the end result of this being a bunch of guys in suits saying, "eh, sh!t happens, cut the family a check" and going on like nothing. *Someone* should be held responsible.

You know how we could immediately solve this from ever happening again? The Hollywood policy for a "cold" gun should be that every time before an actor fires a "cold" gun at someone else - off camera they should have to put the gun in their own mouth and pull the trigger. I'd be willing to bet if that was their policy Baldwin would have made REALLY sure the gun was empty before "practicing".

And if I happen to watch Red River, I do declare I'll pay special attention to the gun-totin' varmints!

 

Wow, we have different ideas about what is reasonable behavior for a citizen and for the police. A cop pulls someone over and someone gets out, throws a gun, and starts running, and you don't think the police have a reasonable suspicion of there being a crime to stop him? I can't tell if they pursued the "youth" or not, but IMO they should have if they didn't. Someone who appears to be a "youth" isn't legally old enough to possess a handgun without an adult around in the first place, AND having a loaded gun inside a car is a crime in itself without the proper permit, so... plenty of reason for the police to think something criminal is afoot (no pun intended). Well, the above and the fact they don't live in fantasyland.

Yep, she was young, you can hear it in her voice. OTOH, she was old enough to drive, she was old enough to know that speeding while driving without a license was wrong (don't tell me she didn't know she didn't have one), she was old enough to know a lot of things. BTW, why didn't she have a driver's license? She's too young to have it expire, meaning she most likely lost it secondary to multiple moving violations, so... not naive to what the current situation was. Also, I didn't see anything about proof of insurance, although not many insurers will insure someone without a license, so, let's add that on there.

I did see the video after your recent post, and as usual, doesn't show the start of their interaction where presumably the female suspect is screaming at the cop. Anyway, the police aren't here just because some young woman was speeding without having a driver's license, they ALSO had reason to believe there is more here than just a moving violation, given the passenger's tossing of his stolen, loaded gun and escape on foot. I know, I know, it's just as likely she was on her way to the library when as an act of Christian charity she picked up this "youth" and didn't know him or the fact that he had a gun on him. Also, she probably didn't know the speedometer in the car was defective, and that, well, I'm sure there's some perfectly valid reason for her to be driving without a license. Maybe she was racing to the hospital as the "youth" with the gun had a hot appendix that was about to pop, that would explain her speeding and the driving without a license, as she felt the emergency need of the situation was more important than the law. It would also explain why the "youth" dropped the stolen gun and ran away. He probably figured by the time they dealt with the traffic ticket his appendix would rupture and be a grave health situation for him, so he decided to run to the hospital instead, dropping the gun as excessive weight that would slow him down.

In any event, I agree the cop shouldn't have yelled at her. Given the overall situation? I'd offer him stress counseling, have him watch a sensitivity video, and put him back on the street. I guess I'm just over the whole "sensitivity to criminals" thing. She didn't just make one mistake, she's made a LOT of them, hence the no license, etc. The police who came across her in her prior interactions were obviously nice to her, given we weren't watching this video last year, and it didn't stop her from continuing to break the law. So she got yelled at. Maybe it'll make her rethink her ways before she ends up pregnant at 17 or in prison.

I've got no problem with the partner's actions. Heck, the cop himself probably realized his job is getting to him letting a couple of criminals get to him. It wouldn't surprise me if he resigned. Unless he's still passionate about police work he could make just as much if not more money doing something that doesn't involve putting up with criminals all day. Why should he be risking his life for people that don't respect him or his necessary authority to do his job?

 

I didn't mean they committed some other crime, but as you say, the crime is the gun. Look at it from the cop's perspective: They pull over people every day, and most of those stops result in someone giving them their license, they get a ticket and go on their way. This time, the cop pulls her over and a guy jumps out of the car, throws a gun and starts running for the hills. The cop's "danger" radar must have suddenly jumped up to 11. That's what I meant.

I agree that the cop acted unprofessionally. He is paid NOT to, and he is in the wrong.

Once again, though, if the suspect (the girl in this case) would have just acted respectfully and obediently to his legitimate use of authority this scene would never have happened. Is it too much to ask that citizens act like civilized people and not like raving lunatics?

* your article said the gun was loaded. I even quoted that and put it in bold text.