I can't see Rick doing anything differently.

Rick was controlling a walker while Shane was breaking the walkers in the barn loose. He couldn't drop the pole and stop Shane because the walker would be free and start biting everybody.

Rick shouted for Hershel to take the pole, but Hershel was in shock over Shane killing his walker neighbor.

Rick couldn't shoot the walker, because dropping his right hand (strong hand in shooting terminology) for his gun is a loss of control on the pole, allowing the walker to break free and bite him or someone else.

The only thing Rick could do was plead for Shane to stop.

 

Shane didn't go about the walkers in the barn the right away, but everyone in the group wanted them gone, even Rick.

 

I do think that that was a waste of finite bullets *if* there was any other way. Maybe if Hershel would agree to fish them up by the neck, and pull all their teeth out, but then I don't see how he could even attempt something like that without losing his fingers.

 

Oh and if I were Rick, I honestly don't see how I could have done something differently if I was stuck with a pole in my hand attached to an excited Zombie.

 

Shoot the zombie's knee caps to make him fall, then one over Shane's head to make him stop. If he doesn't... But as I said in the Shane thread, if I were Dale, Shane would not have made it out of the woods in the first place.

 

Knee capping a zombie wouldn't work at all. Rick's seen (and very recently brought up) the half lady zombie from episode one. Shooting a zombie in the knee cap will just make it angry.....you wouldn't like them when they're angry......

Rick had no options until Shane popped the zombie on a stick. Even when that happened the only real option was take care of the threat. Shane had already done enough damage that the group had to defend themselves.

 

I'm not sure what else he could've done as he was holding onto the walker - except maybe to tell Carl to get himself back to the house (actually I think Lori should've sent him back as soon as they saw the walkers, esp once Shane started shooting). Tricky one - the whole scene was brilliantly set out as no one else would want to hold the pole so he was stuck holding it. Possibly the only one physically capable to stop Shane (apart from Rick) is Daryl but he's injured and he had his gun trained on the Rick's walker. Well T-Dog as well I suppose but he doesn't seem to do much at the best of times.

 

Nik, sure it would. The half lady zombie is a good example. Like any human, if you destroy the structure, they can't use it. The neighbor walker, like bicycle girl, would have been a crawling zombie then, and given Rick enough time to step away from it. It's not going to catch anyone by crawling. Hypothetically of course. I've never actually tried this on a real zombie.

 

I would of shot Shane, It was unnecessary to open the barn, they were fine inside, they were not going to get out. It is also Hershel's property, It's no ones business to be snooping round his property and doing what they want.

 

Well let me say as someone who HAS tried it on a zombie......or maybe it was a homeless guy in a dark alley late at night while high on meth.......I get the two confused sometimes......

Ok. stupid joke over.

From all the experiences they've had I doubt attempting to wound a zombie to the point it can't give chase effectively is not something they'd consider. I can understand why you'd think it's a viable option, I just don't think that's something that would immediately pop into someone's head. Especially after Shane just gave a demonstration of the futility of shooting zombies anywhere but in the head...

 

The problem was Rick was controlling that Walker, so there wasn't much he could do. If he'd been free, I think he would have tried to stop Shane from opening the barn. That's what I would have done.

 

I agree. What a waste of bullets on contained zombies when there was plenty of menacing ones out in the wild? Plus whether people like it or not, that was Hershels land and if he wanted to keep pet zombies on the barn that was his business. If they weren't comfortable with it, they had the right to decide to leave.

 

Hershels land sure. But that doesn't mean he can keeps zeds in there.

At the end of the day whats left of the human race is at war with the zombies. Hershel is not only containing a source of the virus in there, but an ambulant source. The zombies are enemy and need to be wiped out.

The zombies don't need rest, they have 24 hours a day to claw at the walls, or crash against them. Eventually they are going to break out.

 

But it wasn't their right to do so. His land, his pets. Just like if the situation was reverse, and they owned the land, no guests that out number them with guns would have the right to force them against their will to keep zombies alive. The only right they had at that point was the right to leave and save their bullets for the ones that can get them in the wild.

True, but that would be Hershels own problem and lesson to learn as the guests could decide to leave the unsafe heaven.

 

Disagree. Have you seen the survivors miss and hit the zombies in the leg? Yes. Did it drop them? No. They kept coming. That's the trademark of the shamblers in zombie lore: Legs don't work right, but they keep coming despite walking despite a broken ankle etc etc.

Yes it does. It's his land. His Rules. Who are they to tell them what he can and cannot do on his own property. If he wanted to, he could have turned Shane and Rick away when Otis brought Carl. It would be his right.

If they want to stay there, they follow his rules or leave. Sure they have their guns stowed but it's not like they are a mile away and up a tree. They have the one rifle for guard duty, the rest are in the trailer. As long as someone's on duty (and awake) that's enough.

 

Another option that Rick could have done is push his walker toward Shane while Shane was shooting the female walker. This was a missed window of opportunity. Rick could have even waited until Shane started to move toward the barn door. Shane would have at least had to stop temporarily to get out of the way of the walker, and Shane would hopefully not shoot the walker for fear of hitting Rick or the people behind him (ricochet). Rick would have "won" and forced Shane to stand down.

Granted, Shane probably would side step and take a better angle to shoot the walker (training and risk be damned), but it would also free Rick to get between Shane and the barn door. I understand most people would not want to push a walker toward an angry, pistol firing friend AND then be forced to stand between him and a barn full of flesh eaters.

This being said it might have diffused the situation had Rick decided to go on the offensive, not been on preserve mode, and took charge of a rapidly deteriorating situation. He was trained for overcoming hostile situations at the academy right? Instead he stood there screaming which was pretty useless.

Assuming Shane fires a head shot in the male walker. He then has to make another decision. Do I go through Rick to get to the barn or do I just let it go. Shane might have retreated and left the camp. Then again, he might have just shot Rick and opened the barn. I still don't think he would have shot Rick in that situation.

Thought I'd throw this scenario out there for kicks and giggles. :shining:
FWIW: I realize he shot the female walker with the people behind him. A cardinal sin for a safety and weapons expert.

 

Pop the zombie then shane. dude is insane.